Cheap Seats Hours Before Takeoff?
 

Is there a whole website, or a section of a website, devoted to selling
vacant airplane seats at the last minute, say within the last 3 or 4 hours
of takeoff time. I'm figuring that 4 hours before a flight takes off
airlines might be willing to sell vacant seats at 1/2 or even 1/10 price
since they get zero if the seat travels empty.

Cheap Seats Hours Before Takeoff?
 

Alan wrote:
Is there a whole website, or a section of a website, devoted to selling
vacant airplane seats at the last minute, say within the last 3 or 4 hours
of takeoff time. I'm figuring that 4 hours before a flight takes off
airlines might be willing to sell vacant seats at 1/2 or even 1/10 price
since they get zero if the seat travels empty.


I think you figure wrong. Revenue management strategy would rather they
go empty than everyone in the world waits until the last second to bid
then rushes to the airport.
--
mysteryflyer
http://www.mysteryflyer.com/

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"mysteryflyer" wrote:
Alan wrote:
Is there a whole website, or a section of a website, devoted to selling
vacant airplane seats at the last minute, say within the last 3 or 4
hours of takeoff time. I'm figuring that 4 hours before a flight takes
off airlines
might be willing to sell vacant seats at 1/2 or even 1/10 price since
they
get zero if the seat travels empty.

I think you figure wrong.

IMHO, airlines know that they can count on a certain volume of last-minute
or walk-up traffic, desperate enuff to pay retail. They only give price
breaks
earlier to get the plane full enuff that they won't lose their tails, and
the rest is
icing on the cake. =R=

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"Alan" wrote in message
. ..
Is there a whole website, or a section of a website, devoted to selling
vacant airplane seats at the last minute, say within the last 3 or 4 hours
of takeoff time. I'm figuring that 4 hours before a flight takes off
airlines might be willing to sell vacant seats at 1/2 or even 1/10 price
since they get zero if the seat travels empty.

It doesn't work that way. Airfares are not logical unless you understand
that a last minute ticket generally costs more, not less, than a ticket
bought earlier.

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"Jeff Hacker" wrote in message
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"Alan" wrote in message
. ..
Is there a whole website, or a section of a website, devoted to selling
vacant airplane seats at the last minute, say within the last 3 or 4
hours of takeoff time. I'm figuring that 4 hours before a flight takes
off airlines might be willing to sell vacant seats at 1/2 or even 1/10
price since they get zero if the seat travels empty.

It doesn't work that way. Airfares are not logical unless you understand
that a last minute ticket generally costs more, not less, than a ticket
bought earlier.


Which is the opposite of, say, hotel rooms.

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"mysteryflyer" wrote in message
...
Alan wrote:
Is there a whole website, or a section of a website, devoted to selling
vacant airplane seats at the last minute, say within the last 3 or 4
hours of takeoff time. I'm figuring that 4 hours before a flight takes
off airlines might be willing to sell vacant seats at 1/2 or even 1/10
price since they get zero if the seat travels empty.

I think you figure wrong. Revenue management strategy would rather they go
empty than everyone in the world waits until the last second to bid then
rushes to the airport.
--

Yes, but after selling seats for months, don't some airlines have web sales
a week or two before take off time related to how full the planes are? I was
wondering if this concept got extended from "a week before" to "hours
before." But the intent of my query wasn't to challenge ticket pricing
strategy. If there aren't any such websites, then there aren't. I was just
asking.

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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:23:05 -0700, "Alan"
wrote:


"Jeff Hacker" wrote in message
y.com...

"Alan" wrote in message
. ..
Is there a whole website, or a section of a website, devoted to selling
vacant airplane seats at the last minute, say within the last 3 or 4
hours of takeoff time. I'm figuring that 4 hours before a flight takes
off airlines might be willing to sell vacant seats at 1/2 or even 1/10
price since they get zero if the seat travels empty.

It doesn't work that way. Airfares are not logical unless you understand
that a last minute ticket generally costs more, not less, than a ticket
bought earlier.


Which is the opposite of, say, hotel rooms.

It used to be that way, standby tickets were really
cheap in the 1980s, but not in today's sophiscticated
computerised system.

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"Alan" wrote in message
. ..
Is there a whole website, or a section of a website, devoted to selling
vacant airplane seats at the last minute, say within the last 3 or 4 hours
of takeoff time. I'm figuring that 4 hours before a flight takes off
airlines might be willing to sell vacant seats at 1/2 or even 1/10 price
since they get zero if the seat travels empty.

Maybe 20 years ago, but certainly not today. First of all, most flights go
out full these days. However, even if they're not, the airlines will sell
you a last-minute seat -- at the full "walk-up" fare, which can be up to 10
times the discount fare.

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"Alan" wrote:
... the intent of my query wasn't to challenge ticket pricing strategy. If
there aren't any such websites, then there aren't.

I 'member getting ****y once when I priced a flight within a
few days and the airline quoted a fare that was 3x the fare
that I could have gotten 3 weeks before... I was like, "If you
could get me there for 1/3 that fare two weeks ago, why not
now -- its the same plane." Reply: "Well, you might think so."

The air-folk seem to have figured that out those of us who
walk up to a counter or call a reservation center with only
hours to go are not likely to be discount shoppers, but to
have a last-minute travel impulse or an urgent need to get
someplace, and will pay the full-fare, regardless. =R=

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It doesn't work that way. Airfares are not logical unless you
understand that a last minute ticket generally costs more, not
less, than a ticket bought earlier.

Which is the opposite of, say, hotel rooms.

You cannot compare airfares with anything else, hotel rooms or
produce. With hotel rooms, the hotel knows that there are many
hotels in the area so you could go elsewhere and find a room. Even
then all hotels will not negotiate. With airfares there are probably
very few flights, maybe only one, going to your destination. And
airfares have the complication that airlines will award upgrades and
free flights to frequent fliers even at the last minute, not to mention
accommodating passengers from earlier cancelled flights. That said,
are you aware that all major American airlines have an email service
to notify customers of last minute lower fares for under-sold flights,
usually for the upcoming weekend?


Pete

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PTravel wrote:
"Alan" wrote in message
. ..
Is there a whole website, or a section of a website, devoted to selling
vacant airplane seats at the last minute, say within the last 3 or 4 hours
of takeoff time. I'm figuring that 4 hours before a flight takes off
airlines might be willing to sell vacant seats at 1/2 or even 1/10 price
since they get zero if the seat travels empty.

Maybe 20 years ago, but certainly not today. First of all, most flights go
out full these days. However, even if they're not, the airlines will sell
you a last-minute seat -- at the full "walk-up" fare, which can be up to 10
times the discount fare.

May load factors were a hair under 80% across the majors. The math
says 20% of seats go empty.

js

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Alan wrote:


Yes, but after selling seats for months, don't some airlines have web sales
a week or two before take off time related to how full the planes are? I was
wondering if this concept got extended from "a week before" to "hours
before." But the intent of my query wasn't to challenge ticket pricing
strategy. If there aren't any such websites, then there aren't. I was just
asking.

This spring there was a run of last-minute discount fares to Tokyo. If
you were flexible and could leave with only one-to-three day's notice,
you could get there really cheap. It was a temporary thing, though, I
haven't seen those last-minute fares in weeks.

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"js" wrote in message
ups.com...

PTravel wrote:
"Alan" wrote in message
. ..
Is there a whole website, or a section of a website, devoted to selling
vacant airplane seats at the last minute, say within the last 3 or 4
hours
of takeoff time. I'm figuring that 4 hours before a flight takes off
airlines might be willing to sell vacant seats at 1/2 or even 1/10
price
since they get zero if the seat travels empty.

Maybe 20 years ago, but certainly not today. First of all, most flights
go
out full these days. However, even if they're not, the airlines will
sell
you a last-minute seat -- at the full "walk-up" fare, which can be up to
10
times the discount fare.

May load factors were a hair under 80% across the majors. The math
says 20% of seats go empty.

That's a little misleading, though, as the airlines will use those "empty"
seats for non-revs, over-solds, middle-seat-blocks for premium fliers, etc.
However, the point remains the same: airlines do not discount last-minute
seats. Quite the contrary, you will pay substantially more than the
discount rate for a last-minute purchase on most domestic airlines.



js

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"js" wrote in message
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PTravel wrote:
"Alan" wrote in message
. ..
Is there a whole website, or a section of a website, devoted to selling
vacant airplane seats at the last minute, say within the last 3 or 4
hours
of takeoff time. I'm figuring that 4 hours before a flight takes off
airlines might be willing to sell vacant seats at 1/2 or even 1/10
price
since they get zero if the seat travels empty.

Maybe 20 years ago, but certainly not today. First of all, most flights
go
out full these days. However, even if they're not, the airlines will
sell
you a last-minute seat -- at the full "walk-up" fare, which can be up to
10
times the discount fare.

May load factors were a hair under 80% across the majors. The math
says 20% of seats go empty.

Maybe. But the math doesn't take into consideration flight times, etc.
Average in the flight from Des Moines to Kansas City and the flight from New
York to Los Angeles, and you may well find 100% full on the NY-LA flight and
60% on the Des Moines-Kansas City (or other route) - it averages 80% but, in
fact, an 80% load factor means many, if not most, flights are 100% full.

js

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"PTravel" wrote

That's a little misleading, though, as the airlines will use those "empty"
seats for non-revs, over-solds, middle-seat-blocks for premium fliers,
etc.

That's right, and part of that 'etc' is that an empty seat means more cargo
can be loaded. That makes more money for the airline than a discount butt
in a seat.

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PTravel wrote:

That's a little misleading, though, as the airlines will use those "empty"
seats for non-revs, over-solds, middle-seat-blocks for premium fliers, etc.
However, the point remains the same: airlines do not discount last-minute
seats. Quite the contrary, you will pay substantially more than the
discount rate for a last-minute purchase on most domestic airlines.

What airline blocks seats that would other be sold?
When AA used to block seats for FF elites, it was only until if they had
enough unsold seats on the flight. I have had seats come unblocked when
the flight filled.

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"mrtravel" wrote in message
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PTravel wrote:

That's a little misleading, though, as the airlines will use those
"empty" seats for non-revs, over-solds, middle-seat-blocks for premium
fliers, etc. However, the point remains the same: airlines do not
discount last-minute seats. Quite the contrary, you will pay
substantially more than the discount rate for a last-minute purchase on
most domestic airlines.

What airline blocks seats that would other be sold?

None of them. Who suggested that any did?

I was responding to the statistic that flights go out only 80% full, i.e.
it's misleading.

UA does block Economy Plus seats for elite status passengers, and will sell
them only if there are no other seats available. It does not make them
available at the last minute for discount fares, i.e. you can buy one for a
walk-up fare, but not for the cheap price that the original poster to this
thread was looking for.

When AA used to block seats for FF elites, it was only until if they had
enough unsold seats on the flight. I have had seats come unblocked when
the flight filled.

Right. See above.

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PTravel wrote:

"mrtravel" wrote in message
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PTravel wrote:


That's a little misleading, though, as the airlines will use those
"empty" seats for non-revs, over-solds, middle-seat-blocks for premium
fliers, etc. However, the point remains the same: airlines do not
discount last-minute seats. Quite the contrary, you will pay
substantially more than the discount rate for a last-minute purchase on
most domestic airlines.

What airline blocks seats that would other be sold?


None of them. Who suggested that any did?

I was responding to the statistic that flights go out only 80% full, i.e.
it's misleading.

I was confused by how blocking the seats made the number misleading.
Blocked or unblocked, the seats are still counted as empty.
If seats weren't blocked for elites it wouldn't change the percentage.

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On 15 Jun 2006 07:24:08 -0700, "Caren" wrote:


Alan wrote:


Yes, but after selling seats for months, don't some airlines have web sales
a week or two before take off time related to how full the planes are? I was
wondering if this concept got extended from "a week before" to "hours
before." But the intent of my query wasn't to challenge ticket pricing
strategy. If there aren't any such websites, then there aren't. I was just
asking.

This spring there was a run of last-minute discount fares to Tokyo. If
you were flexible and could leave with only one-to-three day's notice,
you could get there really cheap. It was a temporary thing, though, I
haven't seen those last-minute fares in weeks.

LH used to do a "you choose the country (or larger region) we choose
the airport" last minute deal at stupid prices. They scrapped it
because of 7/11. It's not obvious why this deal should create a
security risk when normal late bookings don't?

tim

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Alan wrote:
Is there a whole website, or a section of a website, devoted to selling
vacant airplane seats at the last minute, say within the last 3 or 4 hours
of takeoff time. I'm figuring that 4 hours before a flight takes off
airlines might be willing to sell vacant seats at 1/2 or even 1/10 price
since they get zero if the seat travels empty.

Two weeks ago while waiting for our flight at Frankfurt airport I
noticed that there were a large number of businesses offering last
minute flights. A couple sitting next to us looked over brochures for
over an hour, than went to a counter to book a trip. It appeared that
there were a fair number of offerings.

This is through a travel agent not the airlines. Perhaps blocks of
seats have gone unsold, or there is room on a charter flight. Airlines
are willing to gouge you for last minute flights but you probably will
be guaranteed to get a seat because by overbooking you at a high price
they can usually offer someone much less not to take the flight, or
just bump them.

George

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Caren schrieb:

Yes, but after selling seats for months, don't some airlines have web sales
a week or two before take off time related to how full the planes are? I was
wondering if this concept got extended from "a week before" to "hours
before." But the intent of my query wasn't to challenge ticket pricing
strategy. If there aren't any such websites, then there aren't. I was just
asking.


This spring there was a run of last-minute discount fares to Tokyo. If
you were flexible and could leave with only one-to-three day's notice,
you could get there really cheap. It was a temporary thing, though, I
haven't seen those last-minute fares in weeks.

They do offer such fares on ltur.de as Super Last Minute in the eveing
(German local time).

Well, not to Baku or Port Harcourt because people don't go there on
holidays but on business.
But it happens that people have a few days up to two weeks, they might
stay at home or leave for
Tunisia/Turkey/Crimea/Bulgaria/Italy/Croatia/Egypt/DomRep, whatever is
cheaper.

Regards, ULF

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mrtravel natters:

PTravel wrote:

"mrtravel" wrote in message
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PTravel wrote:


That's a little misleading, though, as the airlines will use those
"empty" seats for non-revs, over-solds, middle-seat-blocks for premium
fliers, etc. However, the point remains the same: airlines do not
discount last-minute seats. Quite the contrary, you will pay
substantially more than the discount rate for a last-minute purchase on
most domestic airlines.

What airline blocks seats that would other be sold?


None of them. Who suggested that any did?

I was responding to the statistic that flights go out only 80% full,
i.e.
it's misleading.

I was confused by how blocking the seats made the number misleading.
Blocked or unblocked, the seats are still counted as empty.
If seats weren't blocked for elites it wouldn't change the percentage.


But we all know that you are a BLOCKHEAD 100% of the time...

--
Best
Greg

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"tim(not at home)" wrote:
LH used to do a "you choose the country (or larger region) we
choose the airport" last minute deal at stupid prices. They scrapped
it because of 7/11. It's not obvious why this deal should create a
security risk when normal late bookings don't?

What's all this I hear about 7/11?
A lot of people shop at 7/11, but IMO, their prices tend to be
higher than you can get almost everywhere. They als seem to
be run by foreigners. What? Oh, that's different.. Nevermind.

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"bunny" wrote in message
...

"PTravel" wrote

That's a little misleading, though, as the airlines will use those
"empty" seats for non-revs, over-solds, middle-seat-blocks for premium
fliers, etc.

That's right, and part of that 'etc' is that an empty seat means more
cargo can be loaded. That makes more money for the airline than a
discount butt in a seat.



The cargo analogy is the by far the best explanation of this phenomenon.

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PTravel wrote:
"mrtravel" wrote in message
. com...
PTravel wrote:

That's a little misleading, though, as the airlines will use those
"empty" seats for non-revs, over-solds, middle-seat-blocks for premium
fliers, etc. However, the point remains the same: airlines do not
discount last-minute seats. Quite the contrary, you will pay
substantially more than the discount rate for a last-minute purchase on
most domestic airlines.

What airline blocks seats that would other be sold?

None of them. Who suggested that any did?

I was responding to the statistic that flights go out only 80% full, i.e.
it's misleading.

UA does block Economy Plus seats for elite status passengers, and will sell
them only if there are no other seats available. It does not make them
available at the last minute for discount fares, i.e. you can buy one for a
walk-up fare, but not for the cheap price that the original poster to this
thread was looking for.

When AA used to block seats for FF elites, it was only until if they had
enough unsold seats on the flight. I have had seats come unblocked when
the flight filled.

Right. See above.

20% of seats flown today are empty. Those are the statistics.

js