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Antwerp, Belgium: The RACISM CAPITAL of EUROPE
From the News:
------------------------------------- 11 May 2006 BRUSSELS - The 18-year-old man who killed a black woman and injured a Turkish woman during an apparent racist shooting in Antwerp on Thursday has an extreme-right background. After shooting and severely injuring the 47-year-old Turkish woman, Hans Van Themsche, 18, then shot and killed a pregnant Malinese woman, before killing a two-year-old native Flemish girl. ------------------------------------ THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED EVENT! In the last elections ONE IN THREE PEOPLE IN ANTWERP VOTED FOR RACIST VLAAMS BLOK party! (current name is "Vlaams Belang"). The murderor is a relative of nephew of this "Vlaams Belang" MP Frieda van Themsche. His father was also a member of the party. We are not talking here about the inhuman immigration policies of Denmark or rutless assimilation of minorities in France. Worse than all.. People are being killed on the streets in the middle of EU! IT IS TIME TO TELL "STOP" TO ANTWERP RACISM! IT IS TIME TO TELL BELGIUM GOVERNMENT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SHAME IN THEIR COUNTRY! PLEASE BOYCOTT BELGIAN PRODUCTS!!!!!!! Belgian Beer, Belgian Chocolate, Belgian anything! PLEASE BOYCOTT ANTWERP! PLEASE WRITE TO BELGIAN EMBASSIES AND CONSULATES, E.U. OFFICES AND PROTEST THIS SHAME! Please pass this message to as many places as possible.... |
Antwerp, Belgium: The RACISM CAPITAL of EUROPE
I must say that in my travels in Africa the expatriates who appear to
be the most racist are definitely the Belgians who live in the DRC. I'm not making a sweeping statement about Beligians in Africa, but n my experience, Belgians in management positions in Central Africa are invariably horribly racist. I come from a country that was branded as the most racist country in the world up until the early 90's, so you'd think that I would be used to racist views, concepts, conversations etc. but I am constantly SHOCKED when I talk with many European ex-pats in Africa. It's just my opinion, but if I were to rate ex-pats in terms of racism the list (from worst, downwards) would be: Belgians Portuguese (ex Angolan) Portuguese (ex Mozambiquan) Portuguese (Portugal and South Africa) Chinese Lebanese and Egyptians French Rhodesians Israelis Indians The British ex-pats who moved to South Africa in the early 80's Pre-independance British ex-pats who left and have subsequently returned South Africans Germans Please bear in mind that I'm rating expatriates only, and not the population in general. And this is my opinion only, based on my experiences. I base my opinions on how I see people in mamagement positions relate to their local black staff and colleagues. To be honest, I have started to dread doing business with Belgians in Africa because I can't stand being around them for long due to their unbelievable arrogance and racism. I'll stand back and wait for flames now... Marc - Johannesburg On 13 May 2006 01:57:48 -0700, "Serkan" wrote: From the News: ------------------------------------- 11 May 2006 BRUSSELS - The 18-year-old man who killed a black woman and injured a Turkish woman during an apparent racist shooting in Antwerp on Thursday has an extreme-right background. After shooting and severely injuring the 47-year-old Turkish woman, Hans Van Themsche, 18, then shot and killed a pregnant Malinese woman, before killing a two-year-old native Flemish girl. ------------------------------------ THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED EVENT! In the last elections ONE IN THREE PEOPLE IN ANTWERP VOTED FOR RACIST VLAAMS BLOK party! (current name is "Vlaams Belang"). The murderor is a relative of nephew of this "Vlaams Belang" MP Frieda van Themsche. His father was also a member of the party. We are not talking here about the inhuman immigration policies of Denmark or rutless assimilation of minorities in France. Worse than all.. People are being killed on the streets in the middle of EU! IT IS TIME TO TELL "STOP" TO ANTWERP RACISM! IT IS TIME TO TELL BELGIUM GOVERNMENT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SHAME IN THEIR COUNTRY! PLEASE BOYCOTT BELGIAN PRODUCTS!!!!!!! Belgian Beer, Belgian Chocolate, Belgian anything! PLEASE BOYCOTT ANTWERP! PLEASE WRITE TO BELGIAN EMBASSIES AND CONSULATES, E.U. OFFICES AND PROTEST THIS SHAME! Please pass this message to as many places as possible.... |
Antwerp, Belgium: The RACISM CAPITAL of EUROPE
"Marc Lurie" wrote in message ... I must say that in my travels in Africa the expatriates who appear to be the most racist are definitely the Belgians who live in the DRC. I'm not making a sweeping statement about Beligians in Africa, but n my experience, Belgians in management positions in Central Africa are invariably horribly racist. I come from a country that was branded as the most racist country in the world up until the early 90's, so you'd think that I would be used to racist views, concepts, conversations etc. but I am constantly SHOCKED when I talk with many European ex-pats in Africa. It's just my opinion, but if I were to rate ex-pats in terms of racism the list (from worst, downwards) would be: Belgians Portuguese (ex Angolan) Portuguese (ex Mozambiquan) Portuguese (Portugal and South Africa) Chinese Lebanese and Egyptians French Rhodesians Israelis Indians The British ex-pats who moved to South Africa in the early 80's Pre-independance British ex-pats who left and have subsequently returned South Africans Germans Please bear in mind that I'm rating expatriates only, and not the population in general. And this is my opinion only, based on my experiences. I base my opinions on how I see people in mamagement positions relate to their local black staff and colleagues. To be honest, I have started to dread doing business with Belgians in Africa because I can't stand being around them for long due to their unbelievable arrogance and racism. I'll stand back and wait for flames now... Marc - Johannesburg No flames from me. I just spent 3 years in Kinshasa....you don't KNOW Belgian racism! --riverman |
Antwerp, Belgium: The RACISM CAPITAL of EUROPE
Riverman, thanks for agreeing with me.
I'm curious... what are your thoughts on the up-coming elections in the DRC? My thoughts are simple: I predict that the country will plunge headlong into a civil war. The Congolese have pulled the wool over the eyes of the Americans, South Africans and Belgians who have pumped huge amounts of money into the country which only served to strengthen the kleptocracy and military strength of individual regions. There is no unity in the country, and each region will be vieing for as much power as it can get. I wouldn't like to be a mine operator in Katanga right now. I see Uganda, Angola, Burundi, Zimbabwe and a host of mercenaries getting involved in a very long and very bloody series of civillian massacres. I also see a civillian uprising against Belgians and other Europeans with devestating consequences. I hope I'm wrong about the situation because there is a potential for unbelievable human suffering in the region. At least, after Lumumba was murdered, Mobuto ruled with an iron fist and managed to keep some sort of order. That's not going to be the case this time. Che Guevara said of Laurent Kabila: "Nothing leads me to believe he is the man of the hour,", and I think the same could be said of his son. Regards, Marc On Fri, 19 May 2006 18:08:09 +0800, "riverman" wrote: No flames from me. I just spent 3 years in Kinshasa....you don't KNOW Belgian racism! --riverman |
Antwerp, Belgium: The RACISM CAPITAL of EUROPE
"Marc Lurie" wrote in message ... Riverman, thanks for agreeing with me. I'm curious... what are your thoughts on the up-coming elections in the DRC? My thoughts are simple: I predict that the country will plunge headlong into a civil war. The Congolese have pulled the wool over the eyes of the Americans, South Africans and Belgians who have pumped huge amounts of money into the country which only served to strengthen the kleptocracy and military strength of individual regions. Hmm, hard to say. I was wrong when I predicted total anarchy last year when the elections were postponed, and now I'm in Hong Kong and feel far removed from the daily grind of Kinshasa. But I still stay in touch with friends there and read about it on the wires, with more insights than most. I think they will take place as planned, with lots of gripes about miscounted votes, and the results will be generally what you expect. A breakdown is always possible, however the real kleptocracy ended with Mobuto, as Kabila Sr didn't have the infrastructure (or remaining resources) to really do it right. Nonetheless, the kleptoculture still remains, so the World Bank and other money suppliers are still a bit slow to open up the valves quite yet, as compared to the Mobuto years. Their demand for a stable government is sort of a long reach as a prior demand, but as long as the Congolese must give the aura of working toward a stable government, the money will be trickling in. I don't see open warfare in the country, no matter what the result: the regional militias are at maximum strength--they already have all the AK47s, RPGs and 30mm guns they can carry--its people they lack, and there's no real rush to join up. If there IS a civil war, it will be fought in sporatic skirmishes in the eastern jungle and in the courts of Kinshasa. There will be some spillover rioting in Kin, with gunfire and lockdowns like when I was there, but the action will be in the East. But all that will be only if the losers get all ****y. There's a fair chance that, now that they have sampled a bit of the luxury life in Kin, they will try to continue to work their way back in politically. There is no unity in the country, and each region will be vieing for as much power as it can get. I wouldn't like to be a mine operator in Katanga right now. I see Uganda, Angola, Burundi, Zimbabwe and a host of mercenaries getting involved in a very long and very bloody series of civillian massacres. I also see a civillian uprising against Belgians and other Europeans with devestating consequences. No, I don't think there will be big civilian massacres, as there's no profit in it. Previously, it was more of a territory/resource grab than a blood feud, and now I think the warlords and Vice Presidents know they cannot rule a breakaway province if they massacre the people. Kabila Sr got his power base by courting the neighboring countries, and their current involvement is because of debts he owed them. If Bembe gets ousted in the new government, he may try to court Uganda, Rwanda and Angola, but the UN will stay on hand: they are in charge of this election, and they now have a 'shoot to kill' mandate, which they didn't have two years ago when the riots opened up in Kinshasa. That will help keep the lid on. I hope I'm wrong about the situation because there is a potential for unbelievable human suffering in the region. Actually, there is already a lot of that. Something like 5 million people killed in the past 8 years, the bulk of them by machete. At least, after Lumumba was murdered, Mobuto ruled with an iron fist and managed to keep some sort of order. That's not going to be the case this time. Che Guevara said of Laurent Kabila: "Nothing leads me to believe he is the man of the hour,", and I think the same could be said of his son. Well, Mobuto's 'iron fist' was extremely disadvantageous to the vast majority of the country, and Che was mostly ****ed at Kabila for not being more of a violent revolutionary. I think Joseph Kabila is actually much more of a pacifist and peacenik, and less of a kleptocrat than either of his two predecessors. I think another 4-5 years of his cooperative rule, followed by a more professional and legitimate politician with worldwide connections might actually show the Congolese the path to the future. I think the vast majority of the people feel the same way, even folks in the outer provinces, so they will support the results and not fall in behind any counterrevolutionary movement. --riverman |
Antwerp, Belgium: The RACISM CAPITAL of EUROPE
What the Hell does this have to do with traveling in Africa.
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Antwerp, Belgium: The RACISM CAPITAL of EUROPE
"GoldenMan54" wrote in message ... What the Hell does this have to do with traveling in Africa. Look at a map, dingus. We're talking about the Democratic Republic of Congo. Its in Africa, people travel there. :-) --riverman |
Antwerp, Belgium: The RACISM CAPITAL of EUROPE
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Antwerp, Belgium: The RACISM CAPITAL of EUROPE
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Marc Lurie wrote: On Mon, 22 May 2006 07:43:07 -0700, (GoldenMan54) wrote: What the Hell does this have to do with traveling in Africa. If you're referring to the original topic, then it doesn't have much to do with African travel. If you're referring to the postings by me and Riverman about the DRC, then I suggest you have a look at a world map. {snip geographical information] The postings by me and riverman are absolutely relevant to this newsgroup. The OP has clearly never read the charter, which inter alia said: "Even though the main topic and dominant subject feature is travel, discussion may also include topics such as culture, archaeology, architecture, ethnology, photography, history, geology, politics, diving, mountain climbing, arts, music, cuisine, ecology, ornithology, etc." I think the postings to which you refer could come into culture, politics and possibly ethnology, with a following wind. Slainte Liz -- http://www.v-liz.com Kenya; Tanzania; Namibia; India; Galapagos Photo galleries: http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/free/gallery.asp?memberID=165111" http://www.photoshopuser.com/napmem/...g.php?id=39466 |
Antwerp, Belgium: The RACISM CAPITAL of EUROPE
On Mon, 22 May 2006 21:20:42 +0800, "riverman"
wrote: BIG SNIP... I think Joseph Kabila is actually much more of a pacifist and peacenik, and less of a kleptocrat than either of his two predecessors. I think another 4-5 years of his cooperative rule, followed by a more professional and legitimate politician with worldwide connections might actually show the Congolese the path to the future. I think the vast majority of the people feel the same way, even folks in the outer provinces, so they will support the results and not fall in behind any counterrevolutionary movement. --riverman I hope you're right, and as we know, time wil tell. In the meantime I'm preparing to go to Likasi again sometime next month. Many of the mines there are feeling a bit "endangered" at the moment, and have reviewed their security situation and decided that their radio systems might not be up to scratch, so I've been quite busy. Marc |
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