How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
 

Vector wrote in message . ..
On 13 Jan 2004 18:35:27 -0800, (Tchiowa) wrote:
Again, the statement made was the the US supported Saddam while he was
gassing Kurds.

And yes, the US clearly did as I will now demonstrate, ignore or deny
it as you will - from the US President, US Government, US Citizens
from the coalmines of Kentucky to the California sun,to American Moms
Dads and US Taxpayers one and all in there boots and all feeding
greenbacks as fast as they could to their old mate Uncle Saddam in
various forms of financial assistance from subsdidies to loan
guarantees.

Perhaps it would be easier if you learned proper English first so that
you wouldn't write unintelligible sentences like the one above.

I guess that includes you too Tchiowa - hence your dumb-ox denial of
incontrovertible facts, presumably to salve your own teenage
conscience or the guilt of your parents.

Thank you for admitting that you lost the argument. Ad hominem attacks
like the one you just pulled are an admission that you have no logical
argument left.


See here -

"The loan guarantees amounted to a massive US subsidy that allowed
Hussein to launch his overt and covert arms buildup, one result being
that the Iran-Iraq war entered a bloody five-year stalemate.

Yes, I saw. Not news or facts. Someone's opinion. Does not even begin
to prove the accuracy of the statement under discussion.

Unless you have some interplanetary method of measuring time this DOES
span the entire period both before, during and after that US
Americans financially (and morally - remember they had Intel)
supported Saddam while he merrily gassed the Kurds, and I might add
from US supplied helos.

It proves nothing of the sort. It proves that the US did business with
Iraq. The US and France do business with each other. Does that mean
that the French support Bush or that America supports Chirac?

Your argument is nonsensical in relation to the statement under
discussion.

The statement was not "US businesses imported or
exported to Iraq after the attack" or anything like that. A very
specific statement. And it simply isn't true. And nothing you posted
contradicts that.

See above!

I did.. Again, you posted nothing that supported the statement under
discussion.

Furthermore what was posted previously certainly does contradict your
ridiculous denial - FYI all of those trade deals required State
Department approval - which was willingly given.

Which still does not support the specific statement.

And don't bother asking for a reference to the quote above - locate it
yourself - if you can - mindless trolling idiot.

Again, thank you for admitting you have no logical argument left.

This was too easy.

55555.

Oh, and posting crap from "GreenLeft.org", an *EXTREME* left wing
Aussie group that openly advocates socialism simply proves how far out
in space you are.

How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
 

"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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SNIP


Oh, and posting crap from "GreenLeft.org", an *EXTREME* left wing
Aussie group that openly advocates socialism simply proves how far out
in space you are.

Hang on a minute sport.

Socialism ?

Since when is this name tag so bad?

Enlighten me/us on the merits of *your preferred system* and its historical
record.

Thank you in anticipation

DN

How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
 

How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
 

"DN" wrote in message ...
"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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SNIP


Oh, and posting crap from "GreenLeft.org", an *EXTREME* left wing
Aussie group that openly advocates socialism simply proves how far out
in space you are.

Hang on a minute sport.

Socialism ?

Since when is this name tag so bad?

Since it's been proven to be destructive. People suffer in the long
run.

Enlighten me/us on the merits of *your preferred system* and its historical
record.

Capitalism. More people have benefited in more ways in the long run
from capitalism.

The core belief in Socialism is "Redistribution of Wealth". The core
belief in Capitalism is "Creation of Wealth".

Socialism is a zero sum game. To help one person you must hurt another
person. Capitalism helps everyone. Some benefit more than others. But
even the worst off are better under Capitalism than Socialism.

How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
 

On 15 Jan 2004 17:41:28 -0800, (Tchiowa) wrote:

"DN" wrote in message ...
"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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SNIP


Oh, and posting crap from "GreenLeft.org", an *EXTREME* left wing
Aussie group that openly advocates socialism simply proves how far out
in space you are.

Hang on a minute sport.

Socialism ?

Since when is this name tag so bad?

Since it's been proven to be destructive. People suffer in the long
run.

Enlighten me/us on the merits of *your preferred system* and its historical
record.

Capitalism. More people have benefited in more ways in the long run
from capitalism.

What are you talking about?

There are more governments in Latin America and in the Far East that
are RUINED because they listened to the capitalistic pitch from the US
government and and Wall Street. These countries were looted by US
Banks and US corporations.


The core belief in Socialism is "Redistribution of Wealth". The core
belief in Capitalism is "Creation of Wealth".

Socialism is a zero sum game. To help one person you must hurt another
person. Capitalism helps everyone. Some benefit more than others. But
even the worst off are better under Capitalism than Socialism.

Well, there are more nations who have a socialistic form of government
than there are nations with a capitalistic form of government.

How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
 

On 15 Jan 2004 17:37:45 -0800, (cynara) wrote:

(Emma Knaps) wrote in message . com...

Anyway.. the topic of this thread doesn't make sense, because Iraq
does not have a deadly arsenal, nor did it have in the past decade.

Who says? Do you know something no one else does? Inside info?
Do tell, I'm genuinely curious.

CY
They certainly went about acquiring the technology to build such an
arsenal, and the kindest words I can say are the US Government at
least tacitly approved of what was going on by issuing validated
export licenses for the transactions. I know because was involved in
several of them, I guess the only saving grace, is it was the
Kuwaiti's who actually sold the gear. I sourced it for the Kuwaiti's
in the USA, and obtained the required export licenses that showed the
Ultimate Consignee as the National Engineering Center at the
University of Baghdad...

How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
 

"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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More people have benefited in more ways in the long run
from capitalism.


FMD

Tell that to Adidas sweat shop workers, you naive, privileged (and probably
overfed) parrot.

How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
 

"matt weber" wrote in message
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They certainly went about acquiring the technology to build such an
arsenal, and the kindest words I can say are the US Government at
least tacitly approved of what was going on by issuing validated
export licenses for the transactions. I know because was involved in
several of them, I guess the only saving grace, is it was the
Kuwaiti's who actually sold the gear. I sourced it for the Kuwaiti's
in the USA, and obtained the required export licenses that showed the
Ultimate Consignee as the National Engineering Center at the
University of Baghdad...


Well, don't keep us on the edge of our seats, Matt.

What was the purpose of the gear? Centrifuges?

How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
 

"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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SNIP

Enlighten me/us on the merits of *your preferred system* and its
historical
record.

Capitalism. More people have benefited in more ways in the long run
from capitalism.

You do mean Alan Bond, the Late Skace, the Late Laurie Connell, current
money handlers of NAB, AMP., ANSET and the seven year list of hearings to be
heard by our Courts of other financial misadventures ? And that leaves
Japan, USA, UK etc yet unmentioned, in the list of those who we look up to
as proof that capitalism is the way to go? Pull the other leg ;-)

The core belief in Socialism is "Redistribution of Wealth". The core
belief in Capitalism is "Creation of Wealth".

Where does land speculation, or for that matter any monetary speculation fit
in on this deal of wealth creation? Speculation in Real estate for example,
does not create anything other than a bill to be paid by later generations
surely?


Socialism is a zero sum game. To help one person you must hurt another
person. Capitalism helps everyone. Some benefit more than others. But
even the worst off are better under Capitalism than Socialism.

If Socialism is a zero game, then based on what was discussed earlier in
this post, Capitalism must be a minus (negative) game. Oh, why we are about
it, how old is your system?

DN

How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal