Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...12/5154730.stm I think Madrid would make a great host city. But on the subject of European travel, did Madrid make any improvements to its public transport system in anticipation for the (losing) 2012 bid? What improvements did it plan to make if it won? Casey |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
Martin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:31:27 -0600, "Casey" wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...12/5154730.stm I think Madrid would make a great host city. But on the subject of European travel, did Madrid make any improvements to its public transport system in anticipation for the (losing) 2012 bid? What improvements did it plan to make if it won? I think an expert in Spain somebody posted that Madrid would be the only hub left in Europe by 2010. Schiphol Heathrow Paris and Frankfurt are soon to close. Madrid is a virtual black hole. By 2020 it might be the only airport left in Europe. -- Kristian |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:29:33 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
wrote: "Martin" skrev i meddelandet .. . On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:55:47 GMT, "Lennart Petersen" wrote: "Casey" skrev i meddelandet ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...12/5154730.stm I think Madrid would make a great host city. But on the subject of European travel, did Madrid make any improvements to its public transport system in anticipation for the (losing) 2012 bid? What improvements did it plan to make if it won? Casey The Olympics are usually held in August and Madrid is terrible hot at that time. They aren't usually held in August, sometimes they have been Usually is usually and sometimes is sometimes. I said usually. 1. Athens, Greece April 6-15, 1896 ----------- Wasn't borned that time but as you seem to be an old fart so... 2. Paris, France May 20-October 28, 1900 ---------------- Seem to be August included.. 3. St. Louis, Missouri, USA July 1-November 23, 1904 ---------------- Seem to be August included 4. London, England April 27-October 31, 1908 ----------- Seem to be August included 5. Stockholm, Sweden May 5-July 22, 1912 --------------------------- Unsual but we have pleasant weather in August as well. 6. Berlin, Germany CANCELLED -------------------- Yes and..... ???? 7. Antwerp, Belgium April 20-September 12, 1920 ------------------------- Seem to be August included 8. Paris, France May 4-July 27, 1924 ---------------------------- Unusual. 9. Amsterdam, Netherlands May 17-August 12, 1928 ---------------------------- August was it... !!! 10. Los Angeles, California, USA July 30-August 14, 1932 ----------------------- And August again...!!! 11. Berlin, Germany August 1-16, 1936 ----------------------------- And August. 12. Tokyo, Japan CANCELLED ---------------------- Yes and .... How do you konow about the intensions for Tokyo 1940 13. London, England CANCELLED ------------------ Yes and.... ??? 14. London, England July 29-August 14, 1948 15. Helsinki, Finland July 19-August 3, 1952 -------------- August 16. Melbourne, Australia November 22-December 8, 1956 ------------------------ Southern Hemisphere is special. It's opposite the Northern if you didn't know. 17. Rome, Italy August 25-September 11, 1960 18. Tokyo, Japan October 10-24, 1964 19. Mexico City, Mexico October 12-27, 1968 20. Munich, Germany August 26-September 10, 1972 21. Montreal, Canada July 17-August 1, 1976 22. Moscow, Soviet Union July 19-August 3, 1980 23. Los Angeles, California, USA July 28-August 12, 1984 24. Seoul, Republic of Korea September 17-October 2, 1988 25. Barcelona, Spain July 25-August 9, 1992 26. Atlanta, Georgia, USA July 19-August 9, 1996 27. Sydney, Australia September 15-October 1, 2000 --------------------- Southern hemisphere again. 28. Athens, Greece August 13-29, 2004 -------------- Seem to be 15 in August in the Northern hemisphere and 5 not including August What's mostly and what's usual ? The point seems to be that there doesn't seem to be a must be in August rule. Mexico, Korea and Japan all have had recent Olympics after the summer heat. Remember that the host country helps determine the actual 2 week period between July and October. But as far as hot goes, I'm sure the Atlanta and Greece Olympics were hot on the dates they were held. So that wouldn't stop an August Madrid Olympics. I suspect the chosen dates have much more to do with when the host city calculates it's highest revenues would be gained. GK |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:31:27 -0600, "Casey"
wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...12/5154730.stm I think Madrid would make a great host city. But on the subject of European travel, did Madrid make any improvements to its public transport system in anticipation for the (losing) 2012 bid? What improvements did it plan to make if it won? I feel sorry for the average Madridian. Hosting the Olympics is a huge drain on the municipal economy, as well as a multi-year upheaval for the residents. In many cases those big, fancy sports complexes become eyesores and tax drains. IMHO, the summer Olympics should be held at Athens in perpetuity. They invented the Games and it is the Athenians to whom we tip our hats when we consider the spirit of the Games. I have grown weary of the silly power trips and the pathetic groveling that cities exhibit when it comes to begging for a spot as host city. It's childish and stupid. I say we all pitch in and create in Athens the most impressive and efficient Olympic facilities humanity has ever known. We'll make Athens a key destination every four years. The facilities will become a boon for the city rather than a drain. And the Greek economy will get a much-needed regular shot in the arm. I've never been to Greece, but I'm sure it's lovely. I'd be happy to attend the games there. As for the rest of us? We can still do the year-long "passing of the torch" around the world. We can make a big deal out of it and have certain cities host the torch for a day or two so tourists can gape at it. Return the Olympic games to Olympus! Run the marathon from Marathon to Athens! Have the athletes perform nekkid! Give the winners a lousy sprig of laurel, then immortalize them in song and statuary! THAT'S the Olympics, bitches! Not a bunch of self-absorbed municipal politicians brokering deals with their brother-in-law's construction company. **** the politics! Let's play Games! - TR |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:45:32 -0700, Citizen Ted
wrote: IMHO, the summer Olympics should be held at Athens in perpetuity. They invented the Games and it is the Athenians to whom we tip our hats when we consider the spirit of the Games. Erm? No it's not The games are clearly a function of Dr Brookes and Baron de Coubertain, neither are greek gentleman. Generally you seem to be confusing two seperate activities, one is the games, the other is the excuse that can be used to convince people in democracies to strike through the NIMBYism so rennovation can proceed. Are the olympics really worse than 15 years of delays whilst the planning process and the courts have their say? Jim. |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
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Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:57:03 -0700, Citizen Ted
wrote: Thus, it is to the Greeks that Coubertin, Brookes and the rest of us "tip our hats when we consider the spirit of the Games" - your naysaying notwithstanding. Bitch. I certainly do not, I don't see much correlation with the rise of sport in 19th Century England and Europe, with previous events a few thousand years before. I'm not confusing anything, and your statement doesn't make any sense in reference to my post. There is ample evidence of graft, bribery and cronyism when it comes to hosting the Games. So? There's ample evidence of all of those things in all walks of life, and there would be no less if it was held in Athens every 4 years. Is it really NIMBYism when a community decides that its taxes and sacrifices are better spent on meaningful infrastructure, rather than pork barrel construction projects with limited long-term viability? Except they don't of course, the community decides that it should host an olympics, of course it's only yourself who's calling it "pork barrel construction projects"... Your refence to 15 years of delays eludes me - I don't know what you're talking about. It's the typical delay in getting funding and planning permission for the sort of travel infrastructure projects in London, which has now been removed, because there's a cause people get behind. With financing from all countries interested in playing the games, Greece would be freed of the cost burden while enjoying the economic benefits. Why would any country want to subsidise a wealthy european nation like that? But I guess your post demonstrates that there are people who don't care about that and are more interested in the "prestige" of hosting the Games. IMHO, the "prestige" should be garnered in WINNING MEDALS, not winning bids to host. Not at all, I just don't see how gifting some nation the benefits of hosting in no way a solution, neither something which is good, you're focusing on a tiny negative in the whole process of running an olympic games. I don't find medals all that interesting, I'm massively impressed by those that do win, the only one I've met sacrificed a lot to do it. Please note that I'm still leaving the door open to bids for hosting the Winter Olympics. Which is of course silly, as only a small minority of the worlds country could hold a winter olympics, snowy mountains are kind of important. Jim. |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
Casey writes:
I think Madrid would make a great host city. I think anywhere far away from Paris would make a great host city. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
Lennart Petersen writes:
The Olympics are usually held in August and Madrid is terrible hot at that time. That is becoming true for most of Europe, not just Madrid. At least Madrid presumably already has air conditioning. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:13:00 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote: Lennart Petersen writes: The Olympics are usually held in August and Madrid is terrible hot at that time. That is becoming true for most of Europe, not just Madrid. At least Madrid presumably already has air conditioning. Of course not, silly. They go to sleep in the heat of the afternoon and waste all that efficient work time. -- Tim C. |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:08:57 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote: Casey writes: I think Madrid would make a great host city. I think anywhere far away from Paris would make a great host city. Is the magic wearing off? -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
Dave Frightens Me writes:
Is the magic wearing off? No, I just don't want to damage the magic by hosting a farce like the Olympics in Paris. Let some other city make that mistake. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:37:25 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote: Dave Frightens Me writes: Is the magic wearing off? No, I just don't want to damage the magic by hosting a farce like the Olympics in Paris. Let some other city make that mistake. Fair enough. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
Dave Frightens Me wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:37:25 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote: Dave Frightens Me writes: Is the magic wearing off? No, I just don't want to damage the magic by hosting a farce like the Olympics in Paris. Let some other city make that mistake. Fair enough. I don't think it will be a mistake for London to host them in 2012. It will be expensive for sure, but it's a catalyst for regeneration of an area which really needs it. A lot of UK people disagree with that (i.e. the expense), but there you go. -- David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:41:03 +0100,
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote: Dave Frightens Me wrote: On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:37:25 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote: Dave Frightens Me writes: Is the magic wearing off? No, I just don't want to damage the magic by hosting a farce like the Olympics in Paris. Let some other city make that mistake. Fair enough. I don't think it will be a mistake for London to host them in 2012. It will be expensive for sure, but it's a catalyst for regeneration of an area which really needs it. A lot of UK people disagree with that (i.e. the expense), but there you go. London needs a big cash injection in this regard though. If they get that tube working well (and yes, know it's improved), then it will be a good start. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |
Madrid to bid for 2016 Olympics
Casey wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...12/5154730.stm I think Madrid would make a great host city. But on the subject of European travel, did Madrid make any improvements to its public transport system in anticipation for the (losing) 2012 bid? What improvements did it plan to make if it won? Casey Madrid and Paris , are the european capitals with best transportation system. Cities likes London, Rome or even Berlin, fall behind. Apart from the mayor of Madrid , Gallardon, absolutly NOBODY wanted the games. Recently has been revealed that a voting error by one IOC member prompted Madrid to be eliminated in a preliminary round . If not by the mistake , the final votation would have been Paris vs Madrid , and in this case all the anglo-saxons would vote for Madrid in order to avoid Paris , securing a Madrid 2012 . Thankfully the error of this IOC member , recognized by himself, prompted a final, London vs Paris , that was won by London . My condolences to the citizens of London . My congratulations to Madrid and Paris . For what I know the plans for London 2012 are very poor design and already fall behind schedule . I'm sure it will cost much more than stimated , and the delays will be cause of despretige for London . Beijing planned all with more anticipation , and even them are having problems to complete all the construction on time , and of course the budget has skyrocketed to a point that the chinese goverment is cutting some projects. London has NOTHING to win with an olimpiad , but has a LOT to lose . A football World Cup or an European football finals are much profitable for a country that an olimpiad this days. |
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