I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
 

"Byker" wrote in message
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https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/st...68956644126720

https://twitter.com/bazabazon/status...66711588331523

"Operationally, the Sukhoi Superjet has been erratic. Safety concerns with
the Superjet, (Russia’s first post-Soviet passenger plane), emerged soon
after its introduction in 2008. A large number of employees at the Siberia
factory responsible for working on the assembly of SSJ aircraft were found
to have faked their university engineering degrees."
https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2018/1...hoi-superjets/

Oleg?

I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
 

"Byker" wrote:
"Byker" wrote in message
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https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/st...68956644126720

https://twitter.com/bazabazon/status...66711588331523

"Operationally, the Sukhoi Superjet has been erratic. Safety concerns with
the Superjet, (Russia’s first post-Soviet passenger plane), emerged soon
after its introduction in 2008. A large number of employees at the Siberia
factory responsible for working on the assembly of SSJ aircraft were found
to have faked their university engineering degrees."
https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2018/1...hoi-superjets/

Oleg?

Boning is not guilty of THIS crime!

Provide overall safety record and ditching summaries or get lost.
Cheap tricks are double edge sword. They will be used against
Boeing/Airbus too.

--
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| I hate dying. (Dave Johnson)

I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
 

"A. Filip" wrote in message ...

Provide overall safety record and ditching summaries or get lost.

OK:

https://aviation-safety.net/database...rjet-100/index

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase...hp?AcType=SU95

It's kinda obvious that Moscow has pressured Russian airlines to accept the
jet in lieu of 737s and A320s...

I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
 

"Jonathan" wrote in message
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Here's a video where it shows the very hard landing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmvcoAPLeuA

I wonder if it was a maintenance issue -- something that SSJs are
(in)famous for -- that prompted the emergency landing in the first place.
The fire doesn't start until the second impact...

I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up toWestern standards
 

On 5/6/2019 2:06 PM, Byker wrote:
"Jonathan"Â* wrote in message
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Here's a video where it shows the very hard landing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmvcoAPLeuA

I wonder if it was a maintenance issue -- something that SSJs are
(in)famous for -- that prompted the emergency landing in the first
place. The fire doesn't start until the second impact...



They're saying now a lightning strike caused the emergency
landing, plus the pilot didn't dump the fuel first so
it was overweight on landing. And it appears the explosion
was in the rear section and googling found they added
extra fuel tanks in the cargo holds in the long range
version trying to boost sales, making it a death trap.




Sukhoi Superjet Range Boost Is Attempt To Increase Sales
by Vladimir Karnozov
- June 13, 2013, 11:20 AM


The newest version of the Sukhoi Superjet, SSJ100-95LR, first flown i
n February this year, has the suffix that is an abbreviation for
Long Range, but some would argue that “Last Resort� might
better describe the situation in terms of its significance
to Russia’s aerospace industry. With the introduction of this
new model, the famed Russian fighter house aims to come up
with a globally competitive passenger jet, able to generate
enough sales in the increasingly competitive 100-seat market,
and match these sales with increasing production rates.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...increase-sales



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I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
 

"Jonathan" wrote in message
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They're saying now a lightning strike caused the emergency landing, plus
the pilot didn't dump the fuel first so it was overweight on landing. And
it appears the explosion was in the rear section and googling found they
added extra fuel tanks in the cargo holds in the long range version trying
to boost sales, making it a death trap.

When an earlier poster attributed the plane's return to the airport to
"expert piloting skills", I couldn't keep a straight face. It came in too
high, too fast, and too heavy (I couldn't tell if the flaps and slats were
actuated). The "landing" was reminiscent of United Airlines Flight 232:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidm2-26DS0&t=10s.

Sukhoi Superjet Range Boost Is Attempt To Increase Sales
by Vladimir Karnozov
- June 13, 2013, 11:20 AM

The newest version of the Sukhoi Superjet, SSJ100-95LR, first flown in
February this year, has the suffix that is an abbreviation for Long Range,
but some would argue that “Last Resort� might better describe the
situation in terms of its significance to Russia’s aerospace industry.
With the introduction of this new model, the famed Russian fighter house
aims to come up with a globally competitive passenger jet, able to
generate enough sales in the increasingly competitive 100-seat market, and
match these sales with increasing production rates.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...increase-sales

I get the feeling that future sales to Ayatollahland will be rewarded with a
windfall of "martyrs", heh, heh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPyGFQy7PPw

As for the up-and-coming Irkut MS-21, I'll bet they'll keep the Pratt &
Whitney engines rather than risk disasters with homegrown ones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPXJ3Bg9Uxk

A mid-air first-flight emergency would have been embarrassing: "The
publicity engine was fired up once the jet had safely touched down, but the
lack of pre-flight fanfare carried an echo of Soviet-era opacity and
secrecy."
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...uccess-437836/

I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
 

"David E. Powell" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 8:33:46 PM UTC-4, Byker wrote:

When an earlier poster attributed the plane's return to the airport to
"expert piloting skills", I couldn't keep a straight face. It came in too
high, too fast, and too heavy (I couldn't tell if the flaps and slats
were actuated). The "landing" was reminiscent of United Airlines Flight
232: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidm2-26DS0&t=10s.

The United Landing was a case of expert flying.

Which is what the Russkies will probably tout when the "investigation" is
complete.

With the 737 currently in trouble, I suppose all other airliner makers
will angle for that market with the stuff they have in the pipeline.

I wonder how lightning-proof these newfangled carbon-fiber planes are? The
playing field will be leveled if lightning starts downing Airbuses and
Embraers...

I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not upto Western standards
 

On Wed, 8 May 2019 13:44:34 -0500
"Byker" wrote:

"David E. Powell" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 8:33:46 PM UTC-4, Byker wrote:

When an earlier poster attributed the plane's return to the
airport to "expert piloting skills", I couldn't keep a straight
face. It came in too high, too fast, and too heavy (I couldn't
tell if the flaps and slats were actuated). The "landing" was
reminiscent of United Airlines Flight 232:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidm2-26DS0&t=10s.

The United Landing was a case of expert flying.

Which is what the Russkies will probably tout when the
"investigation" is complete.

With the 737 currently in trouble, I suppose all other airliner
makers will angle for that market with the stuff they have in the
pipeline.

I wonder how lightning-proof these newfangled carbon-fiber planes
are? The playing field will be leveled if lightning starts downing
Airbuses and Embraers...


They're pretty much as protected as the metal fuselage machines.
I suspect that this was landing a fully fueled aircraft at
somewhat higher than landing speed.
The video shows an initial impact and the aircraft still able to fly
until the second impact where the fires broke out


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I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
 

"George" wrote in message ...

They're pretty much as protected as the metal fuselage machines. I suspect
that this was landing a fully fueled aircraft at somewhat higher than
landing speed.
The video shows an initial impact and the aircraft still able to fly until
the second impact where the fires broke out

Interesting read:
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/q...from-lightning

In the meantime, keep 'em flying, Sergei!:

Russian Transport Minister Rules Out Superjet Grounding After Crash Kills 41
https://www.rferl.org/a/fourty-one-r.../29922441.html

Few airlines fly Russian jet that caught fire -- globe relies on Boeing,
Airbus
https://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...506-story.html

Au revoir, SSJ:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/time-t...north-america/

I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
 

"Byker" wrote on Wed, 8 May 2019 13:44:34 -0500:

"David E. Powell" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 8:33:46 PM UTC-4, Byker wrote:

When an earlier poster attributed the plane's return to the airport to
"expert piloting skills", I couldn't keep a straight face. It came in too
high, too fast, and too heavy (I couldn't tell if the flaps and slats
were actuated). The "landing" was reminiscent of United Airlines Flight
232: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidm2-26DS0&t=10s.

The United Landing was a case of expert flying.

Which is what the Russkies will probably tout when the "investigation" is
complete.

With the 737 currently in trouble, I suppose all other airliner makers
will angle for that market with the stuff they have in the pipeline.

I wonder how lightning-proof these newfangled carbon-fiber planes are? The
playing field will be leveled if lightning starts downing Airbuses and
Embraers...


You understand that carbon is a conductor, just like aluminum, right?

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truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
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