The problem is that there is rarely a pure military victory. I was
quite alive during this period and watch, as *an American* seeing the
US getting it's ass kicked. The Vietnam War was fought like all wars
as enxtension of politics. And like all "victories" and "defeats" the
military actions have political consequences. The US lost 10 times the
number of troops during WWII. It losts hundred of more planes. Yet the
US, and ONLY because of Russian RED ARMY involvement, was able to
participate in an Allied victory in that war.

[I base point about the brilliant General Giap on an interview he gave
for a Military Channel series on Vietnam]

As 10s of thousands of GIs were killed with 6 times that number
injured (or more) the *politics* of this war, without clear
*political* goals, go the American people ****ed off enough to make it
impossible for the US to win...militarily.

The goal for Vietnam was to liberate their country from US *military*
occupation.

The Vietnamese WON (thank the gods).

David