On Sep 30, 11:39 pm, proffsl wrote:
Alan S wrote:
"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"proffsl" wrote in message
Licensing does have nothing to do with highway safety.
Your assertion is simply deluded. A school child could present cogent
reasons as to the correlation between the two. KM
I agree. However, on an allied subject, this was a news item
here last night. Interviews with the town authorities were
positive; interviews with Insurance representatives were
not:http://www.spiegel.de/international/...505246,00.html
"German Town Scraps Road Signs to Increase Safety
You won't have to worry about getting a ticket for running a
red light in the German town of Bohmte any more -- the town
is abolishing all its road signs and traffic regulations.
Pedestrians and cyclists in Bohmte will have to rely on
their wits from now on -- the town is abolishing traffic
signs.
The idea of a town with no road signs conjures up ideas of
Italian-style traffic mayhem, with cars whizzing everywhere
and nervous pedestrians diving for cover. But for some
traffic experts, such chaos is to be embraced -- or, as the
title of a recent traffic conference in Frankfurt put it,
"unsafe is safe."
Now the town of Bohmte in the German state of Lower Saxony
is putting its money where its motor mouth is -- it's
getting rid of its road signs in a bid to cut accidents.
The work to remove the road signs will begin Wednesday in
the town of 13,500 inhabitants. Sidewalks will disappear, as
will the asphalt, replaced by cobblestones. Cycle lanes and
sidewalks will be distinguished from the road only by color.
The town is putting up half of the project's ¤2.35-million
costs itself, with the EU and other sources of funding
supplying the other half.
The idea is based on the European Union-supported "Shared
Space" (more...) concept of traffic management developed by
the Dutch traffic expert Hans Monderman. According to the
concept, road users have to negotiate their behavior with
each other, rather than have it prescribed by rules -- the
idea being that people will pay more attention to what other
road users are doing and hence cause fewer accidents."
Cheers, Alan, Australia
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You surprise me Alan. I too read of these studies some months ago.
And, there are some corelations between their studies, and my claims
here, that driver licensing has nothing to do with highway safety.
Not really. The correlation isn't with licensing/lack of, it is with
lack of driving regulations.
Now, I still support laws that prosecute any behavior which places
others in danger. Or, even behavior which is likely to place others in
danger.
That sounds like a slippery slope. As a civil liberties supporter, I
would object to your authoritarian proposal.
But, UNTIL someone has been proven guilty of Driving Dangerously, they
will remain in my mind Innocent Until Proven Guilty by Due Process of
Law, and as such will retain ALL of their Rights, including their
Right to Drive.
But only with a license.
And, I have demonstrated beyond any doubt...
You have failed to demonstrate at all; in fact, you haven't yet
escaped from the realm of complete doubt.
with court citations ...
Which I have proven over and over again that you have misused,
misquoted and even fabricated...
that
Driving the Automobile IS A RIGHT
.... only with a license and registration.
,
... only it is a Right which is being
circumvented by Police Powers.
Properly so, as has been overwhelmingly show to you.
And, my position remains ...
.... untenable.
that those Police Powers are arbitrary and unreasonable...
Wrong. They are anything but arbitrary and have been litigated and
found reasonable. In fact, your own cites were to court cases that
established the exact opposite of your false claims.
... because my position and
evidence is that Driver Licensing does nothing for highway safety that
strictly enforced laws against Endangerment didn't already serve.
And you have been shown to be wrong.