"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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"DN" wrote in message
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SNIP
Fascist, as spelled out in my Chambers 20th Century Dictionary, which
says
in part ".... representing a nationalist reaction against socialism
..........etc " Now I could read much into that, but refrain this time
round.

Interesting edit of a definition. Here's what the American Heritage
Dictionary says is Fascism: "a) A system of government marked by
centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic
controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship,
and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b) A
political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system
of government."

I prefer an Oxford based opinion than the alternative you offer above. Not
for any anti American sentiments some may accuse me of harbouring you
understand, but because I trust the scholarship from that ancient seat of
learning to the more modern approach to meaning coming from a much younger
tradition. Actually, if one needs to be mischievous politically, quoting
Chambers definition, as a manifesto for Australian right wing parties, they
would I think, gain a few more votes !!!!!!!! (and boy oh boy, will they
need them this next election, if the last 4 Morgan Polls are to be believed)

Nothing about opposition to socialism.

That's kind of neat, *nothing about opposition to socialism* ; can I just
mention a few Socialist *Institutions* in Australia ? Wheat Board;Wool
Board; Milk Board ;Onion Board; Potato Board; Meat Board ; Egg Board etc etc
which some may claim are utterly necessary for the good governance of the
economy and the maintenance of our standard of living, even though it cuts
right across Capitalist values - choice and competition for example. Same in
the USA. Why do we have to keep traipsing to Washington because policy
protection of the farmers in the USA? AND this is Capitalism at work - like
now? (I might add in anguish, that I'm not up to speed on what marketing
authorities are still operative and which I have missed)

The Nazis, the worst example of Fascists I can think of, were the
National Socialists.

Almost agree with you on this one. I wonder though, if the original players
were of a different ilk, how they would have faired ? Although speculation
and 'what ifs' are without practicle profit, it does sharpley remind me at
least, that systems get buggered up by leaders and factions. Hence my
argument with you about Capitalism versus the rest.

SNIP

dealings. It is far to simple to use a single brush on your
canvas "Tchiowa" , to paint any convincing image of what you believe in.

Actually, socialism (by virtue of the necessity for central control)
is far more subject to abuse by those in power than any other system.
The pseudo-intellectuals who keep saying that Russia and China
represent abuses of socialism and communism because of their massive
central governments forget that having a massive central government is
the only way that socialism can function over the long run.

I am in your debt for that little homely. But you really are on shakey
ground. Have you forgot for instance a fellow called Joh who ran his State
without abuse ? There are others, but at this stage, let's not get into some
of this painful history, although if provoked, we could explore other States
over the past 50 years, who have a great deal to answer for. This also begs
the question "Tchiowa"; have you ever thought how much you are paying today,
for those giant abuses of the past? (the money has to come from somewhere
and a tax payer is the first port of call)

SNIP

Old enough to have been proven successful.

I'm not so sure about it being old enough to have been proved
successful. I
don't think you know the answer to the question above. So, I'll prompt
you.

And I'm more convinced now you do not know the answers ! Prejudice is no
substitute for facts...

Shall we start in the year 1305 in France? Or we could move to Boston
in
the year 1644 ? What about a century later with Dr Adam Smith at the
University of Glasgow in the 1760's? Later perhaps; 1883 the year Karl
Marx
passed away and John Maynard Keynes was born? From those name and place
tags, I'm sure you could elicit something about this engine room called
Capitalism, the oil called Economics and the continual revolutions
throughout history, which, dare I say it, have been defended by army and
navy and later air forces. I've no doubt, more blood will be spilt in
the
defence of 'isms.

SNIP

I notice, humbly, you either have no regard for history and/or, lack the
perception needed to tie history and economics together, to enable an
understanding of the present circumstances that exist Globally. Further
"Tchiowa", can you tell us how you can effectively plan for the future,
defend it and proclaim it, without drawing some strings of time together?

Sigh. Your call cobber

DN