On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:13:11 +0000 (UTC), bill
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:05:57 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:31:44 +0000 (UTC), bill
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:47:03 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:08:02 +0000, David Monaghan
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:14:41 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:59:42 +0000, David Monaghan
wrote:

US Murder rate 4.8 per hundred thousand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rat e

England & Wales murder rate 11.5 per million (1.15 per hundred
thousand)

Scotland murder rate 21.4 per million (2.14 per hundred thousand) -
the second highest in Europe.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ja...owest-12-years

The occupied home burglary and assault rates in the UK are magnitudes
higher than in the US.

And a little known fact..if one removes the gang killings where gang
members kill gang members..the US falls to 1.5 per hundred thousand.

If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to
people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too.

So in the UK...the dead dont count? Fascinating world view you
hold.Cold, nasty and brutish..but typically English.


That's the sort of sophistry that gets you a smack in the mouth in most
places.

And earns a serious beating in return for that smack.

My limited experience is that a firm smack in the mouth ends almost all
fights.

Your limited experience may get you a very nasty surprise in the US.
And with me....indeed.

I'd have thought a retired police officer would know that.

Retired? No. I quit. And I used to respond to serious fights that
started with a "firm smack in the mouth" and ended with dead people


There's absolutely no evidence at all that people carried guns as a
matter of routine when no licenses were carried, indeed there's some
evidence that nobody carried guns at all outside sportsmen carrying them
to and from getting them repaired..

Laugh laugh laugh...oh of course not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Outrage

"By this time, all those on foot had arrived at the scene where the
motor car had crashed, and Constable Bond borrowed a small revolver from
a member of the crowd " and so forth and so on.... '

Except if you read the book 'The Battle of Stepney' by Colin Rogers with
care you'll find the guns the police borrowed were all actually inside
two gun shops and the revolver obtained had just been collected from
being repaired.

And it was being carried by a civilian, fully loaded on his person.

The Notting Hill outrage was a turning point in the British methodology
for arming the police and after that numbers of firearms were held in all
'divisional police stations' and some officers at those stations were
trained in their use.

This system was used until replaced by the current 'Armed Response Unit'
policy in 1991.

Yes indeed. We are fully aware of the Black and Tans being fully armed
as well as the police, with 303s and machine guns

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch