"Steve Kramer" wrote in message
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Actually, I think you'll find that you can get from Narita to Kyoto via
the Shinkansen faster than you can get from KIX via either the bus or
the combination of trains, depending on the time of day, even though the
distance is double. Getting to and from KIX is a real pain!
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Narita to Tokyo via Narita Express (quickest) is one hour. Shinkansen Nozomi
(quickest) from Tokyo to Kyoto takes 2hrs 20min. So I guess you are looking
at minimum 4 hours to get from Narita to Kyoto. But you can do KIX-Kyoto in
less than 2 hrs (see http://www.hyperdia.com/cgi-english/).

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