On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:06:23 -0400, Planet Visitor II
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:23:06 +0000, Bill wrote:

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:12:54 -0400, Planet Visitor II
wrote:


For the U.S. military to have lost that war would have required the U.S.
military to have combat boots on the ground present to announce a
surrender to the NVA. That's how one defines the MILITARY LOSS OF A
WAR! There was not a single U.S. combat boot on the ground when the
NVA invaded South Vietnam and entered Saigon.

In an effort to move this on from a ****ing contest...

Assuming the political will to win was there, what you consider a
military victory for the USA?

An American victory parade in Hanoi seems unlikely.

It was held in Paris, when the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong
capitulated to the U.S. regarding the sovereignty and security of South
Vietnam.

You're not dealing with some snotty kid still wet behind the ears
here.

I remember the headlines at the time.

And at the time everyone was fully aware that it was a conference
cynically designed to get the US out of Vietnam and South Vietnam, who
didn't get a voice at the conference, would be left to rot.