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Old January 18th, 2004, 01:12 AM
Tchiowa
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SNIP

What does that have to do with Capitalism? Do you know what the word
means?


Ahhhhhhhhhh; Before answering that, I thought it might be worth looking at
Fascist, as spelled out in my Chambers 20th Century Dictionary, which says
in part ".... representing a nationalist reaction against socialism
..........etc " Now I could read much into that, but refrain this time
round.


Interesting edit of a definition. Here's what the American Heritage
Dictionary says is Fascism: "a) A system of government marked by
centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic
controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship,
and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b) A
political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system
of government."

Nothing about opposition to socialism.

The Nazis, the worst example of Fascists I can think of, were the
National Socialists.

Now to Capitalism. Loosely described, I thought, by good old Chambers
as " the economic system which generates and GIVES power to capitalists".


Try a real defintion: "An economic system in which the means of
production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and
development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of
profits gained in a free market."

All to simple and unfair a description in the pure sense of the word, to
some who practice it. What we argue about and what members on this ng are
interested in, is the defence of this *system*. I assert, with a great deal
of evidence, that Capitalism in the real and practical World, is a system
subject to abuse by the lever pullers and who suck in the political machine,
legal system and the defence system to protect them in their national and
international dealings. It is far to simple to use a single brush on your
canvas "Tchiowa" , to paint any convincing image of what you believe in.


Actually, socialism (by virtue of the necessity for central control)
is far more subject to abuse by those in power than any other system.
The pseudo-intellectuals who keep saying that Russia and China
represent abuses of socialism and communism because of their massive
central governments forget that having a massive central government is
the only way that socialism can function over the long run.

If Socialism is a zero game, then based on what was discussed earlier in
this post, Capitalism must be a minus (negative) game. Oh, why we are

about
it, how old is your system?


Old enough to have been proven successful.


I'm not so sure about it being old enough to have been proved successful. I
don't think you know the answer to the question above. So, I'll prompt you.

Shall we start in the year 1305 in France? Or we could move to Boston in
the year 1644 ? What about a century later with Dr Adam Smith at the
University of Glasgow in the 1760's? Later perhaps; 1883 the year Karl Marx
passed away and John Maynard Keynes was born? From those name and place
tags, I'm sure you could elicit something about this engine room called
Capitalism, the oil called Economics and the continual revolutions
throughout history, which, dare I say it, have been defended by army and
navy and later air forces. I've no doubt, more blood will be spilt in the
defence of 'isms.

So, when you put your hand up, or cast a vote, think a little bit about
what shaped those things you are so convince about - it is not a simple
matter and sometimes means the difference between life and death for some.
Including us.


Compare any of your complaints to what happened to promote communism
and socialism and the abuses that have happened under those systems.