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A report from Andalucia, July 2017
Have just returned from a trip to Andalucia.
Lots of impressions to pass on, but, sadly, not much activity in rec.travel.european these days? I.e. not that many to pass the story on to? Nevertheless, I'll give it a go: Shortly: Andalucia has certainly been influenced by a lot of people over the centuries. From roman emperors, onwards to muslim caliphates, followed by Viking raids (Vikings who later settle in the area, selling cheese) and forward to Spanish kings, who started expeditions to the rest of the world from the Andalician heartland. Between all the wars you certainly don't get the impression that the past was such a glorious time of stability that you sometimes see it portrayed as in the media ... But, well, the land is still there. And well worth a visit. You can see some pictures from my trip he http://www.simonlaub.net/Fortunecity...017/index.html best wishes -Simon |
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A report from Andalucia, July 2017
On 7/10/17 7:54 AM, Simon Laub wrote:
Have just returned from a trip to Andalucia. Lots of impressions to pass on, but, sadly, not much activity in rec.travel.european these days? I.e. not that many to pass the story on to? Nevertheless, I'll give it a go: Shortly: Andalucia has certainly been influenced by a lot of people over the centuries. From roman emperors, onwards to muslim caliphates, followed by Viking raids (Vikings who later settle in the area, selling cheese) and forward to Spanish kings, who started expeditions to the rest of the world from the Andalician heartland. Between all the wars you certainly don't get the impression that the past was such a glorious time of stability that you sometimes see it portrayed as in the media ... But, well, the land is still there. And well worth a visit. You can see some pictures from my trip he http://www.simonlaub.net/Fortunecity...017/index.html best wishes -Simon When I think of Andalucia, I remember the story about the Puerto del Suspiro del Moro, the way the sultan left Granada after being kicked out. Then of course there's the Ponte dei Sospiri in Venice. Different kind of sigh but interesting that two different places evoked similar responses. -- Serenity Now! |
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A report from Andalucia, July 2017
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:46:56 -0700, poldy wrote:
When I think of Andalucia, I remember the story about the Puerto del Suspiro del Moro, the way the sultan left Granada after being kicked out. Then of course there's the Ponte dei Sospiri in Venice. Different kind of sigh but interesting that two different places evoked similar responses. A pretty similar kind of sigh. The Ponte dei Sospiri is a bridge connecting the Palazzo Dogale with the prison cells. It's not called the "bridge of sighs" because of any sighs of people sighing when looking at it from the outside.It has a small window in it, and prisoners were said to sigh as they crossed the bridge, looked out the window, and saw their last glimpse of daylight before being locked up. |
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A report from Andalucia, July 2017
On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 9:27:50 PM UTC+1, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:46:56 -0700, poldy wrote: When I think of Andalucia, I remember the story about the Puerto del Suspiro del Moro, the way the sultan left Granada after being kicked out. Then of course there's the Ponte dei Sospiri in Venice. Different kind of sigh but interesting that two different places evoked similar responses. A pretty similar kind of sigh. The Ponte dei Sospiri is a bridge connecting the Palazzo Dogale with the prison cells. It's not called the "bridge of sighs" because of any sighs of people sighing when looking at it from the outside.It has a small window in it, and prisoners were said to sigh as they crossed the bridge, looked out the window, and saw their last glimpse of daylight before being locked up. "Vikings who later settle in the area, selling cheese"? Well, that really enhances our historical knowledge of the del Sol. I agree, though, that sadly this group has largely lapsed. We've just returned from a fascinating first amble around Sicily, but I doubt if anyone is interested .............. ? |
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A report from Andalucia, July 2017
"Surreyman" wrote in message ... On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 9:27:50 PM UTC+1, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:46:56 -0700, poldy wrote: When I think of Andalucia, I remember the story about the Puerto del Suspiro del Moro, the way the sultan left Granada after being kicked out. Then of course there's the Ponte dei Sospiri in Venice. Different kind of sigh but interesting that two different places evoked similar responses. A pretty similar kind of sigh. The Ponte dei Sospiri is a bridge connecting the Palazzo Dogale with the prison cells. It's not called the "bridge of sighs" because of any sighs of people sighing when looking at it from the outside.It has a small window in it, and prisoners were said to sigh as they crossed the bridge, looked out the window, and saw their last glimpse of daylight before being locked up. "Vikings who later settle in the area, selling cheese"? Well, that really enhances our historical knowledge of the del Sol. I agree, though, that sadly this group has largely lapsed. We've just returned from a fascinating first amble around Sicily, but I doubt if anyone is interested .............. ? yes please :-) tim |
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A report from Andalucia, July 2017
"Martin" wrote in message news On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:42:36 +0100, "tim..." wrote: "Surreyman" wrote in message ... On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 9:27:50 PM UTC+1, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:46:56 -0700, poldy wrote: When I think of Andalucia, I remember the story about the Puerto del Suspiro del Moro, the way the sultan left Granada after being kicked out. Then of course there's the Ponte dei Sospiri in Venice. Different kind of sigh but interesting that two different places evoked similar responses. A pretty similar kind of sigh. The Ponte dei Sospiri is a bridge connecting the Palazzo Dogale with the prison cells. It's not called the "bridge of sighs" because of any sighs of people sighing when looking at it from the outside.It has a small window in it, and prisoners were said to sigh as they crossed the bridge, looked out the window, and saw their last glimpse of daylight before being locked up. "Vikings who later settle in the area, selling cheese"? Well, that really enhances our historical knowledge of the del Sol. I agree, though, that sadly this group has largely lapsed. We've just returned from a fascinating first amble around Sicily, but I doubt if anyone is interested .............. ? yes please :-) Me too! to be clear that I'm not just asking in order to keep the group alive ... I first (and only) visited Sicily in 82 when I was working a year in Italy This was pre internet, without a guide book, flying by the seat of my pants stuff I knew a few places that I had to go to: Mt Etna, Agrigento, Palermo etc I scheduled a two week holiday which I spent in the very south of Italy and on the Island - travelling by train. It was November BTW, glorious weather all week, though it did **** down the previous week when I had been in Naples :-( I'm sure that I missed some places. I remember that I got the train to Enna, fully expecting that if the station wasn't in the town centre (it isn't by about 5 km) there would be as bus as the had been at *every* other random Italian town that I had visited. But there wasn't and still isn't (actually I found a web site that says that there us, but there are no bus stops on street view!) - and there isn't even a sign of a taxi rank, though no doubt there's now a phone number on the wall that you can ring with your mobile - something that I, of course, didn't have in 82. Now, with 35 years of traveling experience behind me, I think I should go back and fill in the gaps. I'm minded to hire a car, but I am concerned by the overly cheap prices that are charged and whether it is possible to avoid all the scams that you read of to bump up the costs when you get there. Or I can again go by train (and bus) though this time using the internet to plan properly. Or I could see if I can add on some organised day trips from hotels in the mains towns - I don't rate that option much, but sometimes it works. or there is this: http://www.secretitalia.it/tours/sic...lendours-tour/ but plus flights (and therefore no obligation on the tour company to help you if the flights are late/cancelled) the price is just silly So am generally interested in how you travelled around and any out of the ordinary places that you visited. tim |
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A report from Andalucia, July 2017
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 16:54:45 +0200, Simon Laub wrote:
Have just returned from a trip to Andalucia. Lots of impressions to pass on, but, sadly, not much activity in rec.travel.european these days? I.e. not that many to pass the story on to? Nevertheless, I'll give it a go: Shortly: Andalucia has certainly been influenced by a lot of people over the centuries. From roman emperors, onwards to muslim caliphates, followed by Viking raids (Vikings who later settle in the area, selling cheese) and forward to Spanish kings, who started expeditions to the rest of the world from the Andalician heartland. Between all the wars you certainly don't get the impression that the past was such a glorious time of stability that you sometimes see it portrayed as in the media ... But, well, the land is still there. And well worth a visit. You can see some pictures from my trip he http://www.simonlaub.net/Fortunecity...017/index.html best wishes -Simon Andaluces de Jaen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unVF1tAALUk Miguel Hernandez 1937 Paco Ibanez. Another version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNpXVzCwvjs Andaluces de Jaén, aceituneros altivos, decidme en el alma: ¿quién, quién levantó los olivos? No los levantó la nada, ni el dinero, ni el señor, sino la tierra callada, el trabajo y el sudor. Unidos al agua pura y a los planetas unidos, los tres dieron la hermosura de los troncos retorcidos. Levántate, olivo cano, dijeron al pie del viento. Y el olivo alzó una mano poderosa de cimiento. Andaluces de Jaén, aceituneros altivos, decidme en el alma: ¿quién amamantó los olivos? Vuestra sangre, vuestra vida, no la del explotador que se enriqueció en la herida generosa del sudor. No la del terrateniente que os sepultó en la pobreza, que os pisoteó la frente, que os redujo la cabeza. Árboles que vuestro afán consagró al centro del d*a eran principio de un pan que sólo el otro com*a. ¡Cuántos siglos de aceituna, los pies y las manos presos, sol a sol y luna a luna, pesan sobre vuestros huesos! Andaluces de Jaén, aceituneros altivos, pregunta mi alma: ¿de quién, de quién son estos olivos? Jaén, levántate brava sobre tus piedras lunares, no vayas a ser esclava con todos tus olivares. Dentro de la claridad del aceite y sus aromas, indican tu libertad la libertad de tus lomas. |
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