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South Africa
From: "Safariman"
Subject: South Africa Date: 02 October, 2003 03:39 Carmen Sonnenberg. Tour Consultant Travel the Planet Holdings.c.c. Tel/Fax 014-7365301 Website: www.traveltheplanet.co.za P.O.Box 4258,Pretoria,001. SOUTH AFRICA - Best 4x4 Rental rates with affordable insurance Day tours.Cape Town, Johannesburg, Durban and Pretoria Kruger Tours.Camping to luxury..departure every day ! Victoria Falls Fly in Options All under one site.. www.traveltheplanet.co.za -- Your Host Carel Pienaar -- Carmen Sonnenberg. Tour Consultant Travel the Planet Holdings.c.c. Tel/Fax 014-7365301 Website: www.traveltheplanet.co.za P.O.Box 4258,Pretoria,001. SOUTH AFRICA |
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Hallo Safariman - for some years now I have been member of this group and
somehow we have managed to keep it more or less clear of adds. Actually this is not the place for such adds as it is a newsgroup on travel in Africa. If you would do a bit of research, you'll find that quite a number of us are actually in the tourism industry and many of us can probably 'kick your ass' in the industry. We refrain from such obvious self promoting and use this newsgroup to discuss relevant issues or to supply meaningful info to one another. Would you honor the whole group and please stop this. There are other venues that are specifically for such adds. This particular group has offered valuable services to serious travelers and I for one would love to keep it as a source of info. Thanx in advance. Koos Greeff. Specialist Safari Operator. De Brug Guest farm Namaqualand. Safariman wrote in message ... From: "Safariman" Subject: South Africa Date: 02 October, 2003 03:39 Carmen Sonnenberg. Tour Consultant Travel the Planet Holdings.c.c. Tel/Fax 014-7365301 Website: www.traveltheplanet.co.za P.O.Box 4258,Pretoria,001. SOUTH AFRICA - Best 4x4 Rental rates with affordable insurance Day tours.Cape Town, Johannesburg, Durban and Pretoria Kruger Tours.Camping to luxury..departure every day ! Victoria Falls Fly in Options All under one site.. www.traveltheplanet.co.za -- Your Host Carel Pienaar -- Carmen Sonnenberg. Tour Consultant Travel the Planet Holdings.c.c. Tel/Fax 014-7365301 Website: www.traveltheplanet.co.za P.O.Box 4258,Pretoria,001. SOUTH AFRICA |
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Koos,
Thank you for posting your comments regarding blatant advertising. I am on the other side of the table as an occasional tourist. The topics discussed on this group are an important source of information and ideas to use when planning trips. I would never choose an operator simply because they happened to post an annoying ad in a discussion group. I think on the other hand that it does not do any damage for people to use a signature when posting informative replies or bringing interesting information to our attention. Why not include the name and location of your organization, your position and a link to your web site in your reply. That way if we are impressed with the quality of your posts we have an easy way to get in touch with you if we want to consider doing business. I understand the Namaqualand was quite a disappointment last year. We spent a couple of days at Kamieskroon in the beginning of September last year and the flowers were amazing. This year a friend sent us a picture and all we could see were a few desolate Vygies sticking out of the sand. He had to search to find those. That must be hard on the local businesses. He also said that Richtersveld and Fish River have been combined into a new transfrontier park. Do you have any information on that and what it means to visitors? Scott Elliot http://www3.telus.net/selliot/ "Koos Greeff" wrote in message ... Hallo Safariman - for some years now I have been member of this group and somehow we have managed to keep it more or less clear of adds. Actually this is not the place for such adds as it is a newsgroup on travel in Africa. If you would do a bit of research, you'll find that quite a number of us are actually in the tourism industry and many of us can probably 'kick your ass' in the industry. We refrain from such obvious self promoting and use this newsgroup to discuss relevant issues or to supply meaningful info to one another. Would you honor the whole group and please stop this. There are other venues that are specifically for such adds. This particular group has offered valuable services to serious travelers and I for one would love to keep it as a source of info. Thanx in advance. Koos Greeff. Specialist Safari Operator. De Brug Guest farm Namaqualand. |
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On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:38:35 +0200, "Koos Greeff"
wrote: Hallo Safariman - for some years now I have been member of this group and somehow we have managed to keep it more or less clear of adds. Actually this is not the place for such adds as it is a newsgroup on travel in Africa. If Hi Koos, I came accross safariman's posting in a group about lighthouses (!!). It IS spam and I hope that others will act like I do when seeing these postings... Not doing bussiness with them... I have a nice list of companies I will not use because they are spammers. I don't go to their websites and will NEVER order anything from them. I WILL, however, always report them with their ISP or violation of the AUP... It seems to help in most cases and it makes me feel better ;-) Bye Maurice -- Hamradio: ON4BAM / M0CIL / 9H3Z http://www.qsl.net/on4bam Travelstories from Alaska, Scotland, South Africa,Iceland, Faroe Isl., Australia and IOTA activations |
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"Koos Greeff" wrote: Hallo Safariman - for some years now I have been member of this group and somehow we have managed to keep it more or less clear of adds. You're quite right Koos. By the terms of the group's charter, we don't welcome ads: "This is not a forum for advertising and commercial interests and such posts will not be welcome. There is nothing wrong with commerce and advertising, this just isn't the place for it. If you have a product or a tour, please post your message in rec.travel.marketplace or other locations." The trouble is, I think a lot of the spammers don't read the groups. They just post up their ads and leave. Probably complaining to the ISP is the best thing, but it often doesn't make any difference. Then there's always the Killfile for repeat offenders.... Liz -- Virtual Liz at http://www.v-liz.co.uk Kenya; Tanzania; India; Seychelles New Aug '03: Namibia "I speak of Africa and golden joys" |
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Hi Group and thanx for the impute and support. I too think that these guys
do not really read what is going on here. When it comes to Namaqualand - we had a very bad rain season this year. Actually, it is a disaster in some areas of the eastern Namaqualand (called the Boesmanland) where they had less than 10mm of rain this season. The problem with operators living outside of Namaqualand but offering tours into Namaqualand, is that they book long in advance and are then not prepared to cancel the tours and refund the bookings. Then you have the situation of tourists arriving here with only empty hills to look at. I was so upset with this state of affairs that I spoke to the Western Cape Minister of Tourism about it for I feel it is unethical and it gives Namaqualand a bad name in the tourism industry. I hope something will be done about it. Namaqualand is a very unique place with some flowers in some places sometimes during August and September during some years. A true "flowering extravaganza" is on average only once in 7 years. And this can only be determined 2 - 3 months before the time! This makes Namaqualand extremely difficult to market in the international tourism industry. The newly created "Namib Transfrontier" Park has been agreed upon and the first part of it is official now - This is the co-operation of the Fish River National Park and the Richtersveld National Park into one transfrontier park. The plan is to incorporate the whole of the Diamond Coast, other parts of the Greater Richtersveld, the whole of the Namib Desert from Oranjemund up to the Skeleton Coast, parts of Damaraland and the Kaokoveld and the Park Nacional do Iona in Angola in this huge park. If it is created, it will stretch from about 350 km north of Cape Town for about 2000 km along the Atlantic Ocean I am very exited about this for I feel that it will help the whole region that has been very neglected in terms of development. In general the peoples living here, are quite poor. But it will also promote the idea of co-operation between the governments and the streamlining of services, border crossings etc. It is actually so sad to think that we welcome the cross-border migration of wildlife and man is prevented from doing so. Perhaps one day we will be able to enjoy an Africa without the "schlepp" of border crossings. I will try to keep you posted on the development process of this park. Greetings Koos Specialist Safari Operator. http://www.afrikasafaris.co.za |
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