American Airlines' Preaching Pilot

rom wrote:

American Airlines pilot suggests passengers discuss Christianity
Associated Press

NEW YORK - An American Airlines pilot flying passengers to New York asked
Christians on board to identify themselves and suggested the non-Christians
discuss the faith with them, a spokesman for the Fort Worth, Texas-based airline
said Saturday.

Flight 34 was headed from Los Angeles to John F. Kennedy Airport on Friday
afternoon, said spokesman Tim Wagner. The pilot, whose identity was not
released, had been making flight announcements and then asked that the
Christians on board raise their hands, Wagner said.

The pilot told the airline that he then suggested the other passengers use the
flight time to talk to the identified Christians about their faith, Wagner said.

The pilot later told passengers he would be available at the end of the flight
to talk about his first announcement.

Wagner said the airline was investigating the incident, and that the company had
guidelines about appropriate behavior. He said the pilot had just returned to
work from a weeklong mission trip to Costa Rica.

"It falls along the lines of a personal level of sharing that may not be
appropriate for one of our employees to do while on the job," Wagner said.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/...te/7900122.htm

I believe I may have flown with this pilot before. He has a big old
sticker on his flight bag that says "My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter"
and parades around the gate area before boarding making sure all
passengers see it. We also got a long rambling sermon on the plane
right after we took off. Freaked me out completely. I thought of
writing AA about it but didn't get around to it. Now I wish I had.

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 08:20:40 -0700, "gk" wrote:

"E.E.Bud Keith" wrote in message
...


And just what is that we call you, the guy was not harming a sole but you
compassionate liberals go for the jugular
just because you disagree with him. So he made and announcement but no one
was forced to do as he suggested. You jack ass libs are always spouting
about peace and dialogs, perhaps all he was attempting to do was create
and
atmosphere in which people might talk to and learn from each other. But of
course biased people like you would not even consider that, off with his
head, right?

His job is to fly the ****ing plane from point A to point B, not make the
non-Christian passengers uncomfortable (and probably a lot of the Christian
ones, too). He deserves to lose his job.

Yep.

"John" wrote in message
...
rom wrote:

I believe I may have flown with this pilot before. He has a big old
sticker on his flight bag that says "My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter"
and parades around the gate area before boarding making sure all
passengers see it. We also got a long rambling sermon on the plane
right after we took off. Freaked me out completely. I thought of
writing AA about it but didn't get around to it. Now I wish I had.

It's never too late!

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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 10:27:03 -0500, John wrote:

rom wrote:

American Airlines pilot suggests passengers discuss Christianity
Associated Press

NEW YORK - An American Airlines pilot flying passengers to New York asked
Christians on board to identify themselves and suggested the non-Christians
discuss the faith with them, a spokesman for the Fort Worth, Texas-based airline
said Saturday.

Flight 34 was headed from Los Angeles to John F. Kennedy Airport on Friday
afternoon, said spokesman Tim Wagner. The pilot, whose identity was not
released, had been making flight announcements and then asked that the
Christians on board raise their hands, Wagner said.

The pilot told the airline that he then suggested the other passengers use the
flight time to talk to the identified Christians about their faith, Wagner said.

The pilot later told passengers he would be available at the end of the flight
to talk about his first announcement.

Wagner said the airline was investigating the incident, and that the company had
guidelines about appropriate behavior. He said the pilot had just returned to
work from a weeklong mission trip to Costa Rica.

"It falls along the lines of a personal level of sharing that may not be
appropriate for one of our employees to do while on the job," Wagner said.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/...te/7900122.htm

I believe I may have flown with this pilot before. He has a big old
sticker on his flight bag that says "My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter"
and parades around the gate area before boarding making sure all
passengers see it. We also got a long rambling sermon on the plane
right after we took off. Freaked me out completely. I thought of
writing AA about it but didn't get around to it. Now I wish I had.

What sort of athmosphere does it create on the flight deck?

Do other crew refuse to fly with him? Or is it like school sports
where if you're not one of them you're simply not part of the team
because everybody has to be on the same wavelength?

There was a fatal crash in Britain many years ago when a Trident
finished up in the sewage works west of Heathrow because the crew
didn't get on with the captain (but not because he was a religious
asshole, just an asshole).

Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:44:01 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism

In article , Douglas Berry
wrote:

When I fly, I'm paying the airline to transport me from point A to
point B in a safe, comfortable manner. Being a captive audience when
the religious nutso pilot pretty much tells the Christians on the
plane to bug the non-Christians for the entire flight would **** me
off.. I'd file a lawsuit against American had I been on that flight.

You could file a lawsuit but you'd have no grounds for it. American
Airlines is a private company. They can plaster the inside of their
airplane cabins with bible verses if that's what they want to do.


The captain of the plane is NOT ":American Airlines".

"ZenIsWhen" wrote in message
...

The captain of the plane is NOT ":American Airlines".



Oh yes he is!! The pilot fully represents that airline everytime he dons
the uniform and crawls into the cockpit! It says so in AA's own employee
policy manual.

The employees ARE the airline! If the airline condones what he did, then
they airline is saying they agree, and that it is their policy to do such
things.

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And so upon Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:53:09 -0600 didst Daniel Kolle speak
thusly:

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:43:25 -0600,
thought hard and said:

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:56:45 +0000, rom wrote:

American Airlines pilot suggests passengers discuss Christianity
Associated Press

NEW YORK - An American Airlines pilot flying passengers to New York asked
Christians on board to identify themselves and suggested the non-Christians
discuss the faith with them, a spokesman for the Fort Worth, Texas-based airline
said Saturday.

Flight 34 was headed from Los Angeles to John F. Kennedy Airport on Friday
afternoon, said spokesman Tim Wagner. The pilot, whose identity was not
released, had been making flight announcements and then asked that the
Christians on board raise their hands, Wagner said.

The pilot told the airline that he then suggested the other passengers use the
flight time to talk to the identified Christians about their faith, Wagner said.

The pilot later told passengers he would be available at the end of the flight
to talk about his first announcement.

Wagner said the airline was investigating the incident, and that the company had
guidelines about appropriate behavior. He said the pilot had just returned to
work from a weeklong mission trip to Costa Rica.

"It falls along the lines of a personal level of sharing that may not be
appropriate for one of our employees to do while on the job," Wagner said.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/...te/7900122.htm


Darn, I was going to post this with the header "Jebus makes pilot lose
job...claims he'll live on the love of the Lard."

And he will lose his job...can't have the mentally unstable in such a
position. I wouldn't fly on his plane, and I will send an email to AA
to that effect.

zamboni

I see no problem at all. ...I dunno, maybe I happen to be a little
tolerant. Oooh, my.

Tolerant of a pilot who basically encourages big, nasty arguments over a
touchy subject among passengers on a jet?

Forget atheists being on board. What happens when the Baptists, Catholics,
Mormons, and JWs start going after each other?

I'm sure his job description does not include starting religious arguments
among passengers on a flight...

--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 06:02:40 +0000, mrraveltay wrote:

Douglas Berry wrote:
When I fly, I'm paying the airline to transport me from point A to
point B in a safe, comfortable manner. Being a captive audience when
the religious nutso pilot pretty much tells the Christians on the
plane to bug the non-Christians for the entire flight would **** me
off.. I'd file a lawsuit against American had I been on that flight.


A lawsuit??? Were you really harmed by this? Do you think it AA condones
this behavior? Clearly, the pilot did this on his own. It was in poor
taste, perhaps, but certainly nothing to sue over.

But certainly the case for requesting a public apology on the PA system
right away. And be willing to deal with homeland security and perhpas a
visit to a jail until the guy would indeed publically apologize.

"Matt Silberstein" matts2nopam@ix netcom.nospamcom wrote in message
...

His actions were clearly and grossly inappropriate. Whether they
were to the level of loosing his job depends on job rules. But
they are certainly wrong from a Christian standpoint. You should
not use your power of life and death, like being a pilot, to try
to lead people to Christ. You don't get open and honest responses
that way.

Also ... were I on that plane .. I would wonder just how deranged and
fanatic the pilot was ...........
would he decide to take some other inappropriate actin based on his
extremist views?



So he made and announcement but no one
was forced to do as he suggested. You jack ass libs are always spouting
about peace and dialogs, perhaps all he was attempting to do was create
and
atmosphere in which people might talk to and learn from each other. But
of
course biased people like you would not even consider that, off with his
head, right?

Again, would you feel the same way if he wanted a dialog about
Wicca?


--
Matt Silberstein

I want to be different, I just don't want to change.

All human being wishing to be "different" please stand in the appropriate
line.

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:44:01 +0000, BTR1701 wrote:

You could file a lawsuit but you'd have no grounds for it. American
Airlines is a private company. They can plaster the inside of their
airplane cabins with bible verses if that's what they want to do.

Methinks you got mixed up. That's Alaska, not AA.