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Old November 30th, 2007, 04:37 PM posted to alt.atheism, alt.anarchism, rec.travel.air, soc.culture.nordic,alt.bible
Mark K. Bilbo
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Default Public Outrage Forces Swedish Hotels To Put Bibles Back

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:00:34 -0800, panamfloyd wrote:

On Nov 29, 7:33 pm, Brian wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:51:09 -0800 (PST), wrote:





On Nov 29, 4:44 am, Sound of Trumpet
wrote:


snip


http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=...sweeden+bibles

+hotels&um=...

No hits.
Let's try Yahoo.


http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/

search;_ylt=A0WTTkrpQE9HZtwAAgKy87U...

No hits.
Let's try Reuters.


http://search.us.reuters.com/rsearch...?blob=jansson%

20swe...

No hits.
Maybe I'm spelling Sweden wrong.


http://www.sweden.se/templates/cs/Fr...e.aspx?id=1898


Hmm. Maybe not.
Let's try the AP.


http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?

p_product=APAB&p_theme=a...("jansson%20sweden%20bi ble%20hotels")
&xcal_numdocs=20&p_perpage=10&p_sort=Y-MD_date&xcal_useweights=no

No hits.


It would seem that this is simply another Christian lie.


-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!


Or you could just have clicked on the link provided which led here.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118434936941966055.html

Perhaps your denial is just another atheist lie.

I'm curious about your reply.


The Wall Street Journal was bought by Rupert Murdoch.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2007/07/31/

AR2007073100896.html

The man who made his fortune by turning real newspapers into tabloids
and *invented* the opinion-driven "news" report.

http://www.outfoxed.org/

Trust him if you wish....


Trust? Nah. But if you like a lotta soft porn, you just can't beat
Murdoch's Fox News Porn:

http://foxnewsporn.com/

Best bit, YouTube rates clips of Fox News as "18+ only":

http://foxattacks.com/blog/18907-you...st-18-to-view-
fox-news

And Digg bans Fox News clips:

http://foxattacks.com/blog/18900-fox...o-hot-for-digg


Keep in mind, these are just compilations of actual, broadcast material
from Fox News...


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But how much nobler it would be if men died for
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  #22  
Old November 30th, 2007, 04:51 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.anarchism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.nordic,alt.bible
Mark K. Bilbo
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Default Public Outrage Forces Swedish Hotels To Put Bibles Back

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:20:50 +0000, Craig Welch wrote:

"brique" said:


Bert Hyman wrote in message
. ..
In

wrote:

No hits.

It would seem that this is simply another Christian lie.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118434936941966055.html

In Europe, God Is (Not) Dead
Christian groups are growing, faith is more public. Is
supply-side economics the explanation? By ANDREW HIGGINS
July 14, 2007

Stockholm

Late last year, a Swedish hotel guest named Stefan Jansson
grew upset when he found a Bible in his room.

Looks like your search skills need some tuning.


Well, I went looking, and all I can find is four links to...... this
single source, the WSJ article. Which is a bit odd, as one would expect
to find one or two local language sources, Sweden does have online
versions of it's quite active newspaper sector. But none at all?


I really do wonder whether some of the contributors to this thread
should be allowed Internet access without their parents' supervision.

http://tinyurl.com/2bhepg


Funny, that article says essentially nothing is going on either way.

"Scandic's decision has not generated any debate on the general idea of
placing copies of The Bible in hotel rooms."

So where's all this "public outrage" and stuff?

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  #23  
Old November 30th, 2007, 04:59 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.anarchism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.nordic,alt.bible
Bert Hyman
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Default Public Outrage Forces Swedish Hotels To Put Bibles Back

lbo (Mark K. Bilbo) wrote in
:

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:20:50 +0000, Craig Welch wrote:


http://tinyurl.com/2bhepg

Funny, that article says essentially nothing is going on either
way.

"Scandic's decision has not generated any debate on the general
idea of placing copies of The Bible in hotel rooms."


In Finland.

So where's all this "public outrage" and stuff?


In Sweden. Last summer.

http://www.forward.com/articles/11240/
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/259266.htm
http://scandichotelbibles.blogspot.c...l-scandic.html

.... etc.

In California. Last spring.

http://www.hotelchatter.com/tag/Hotel%20Religion


--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
  #24  
Old November 30th, 2007, 05:03 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.anarchism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.nordic,alt.bible
brique
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Default Public Outrage Forces Swedish Hotels To Put Bibles Back


Craig Welch wrote in message
...
"brique" said:


Bert Hyman wrote in message
.. .
In


wrote:

No hits.

It would seem that this is simply another Christian lie.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118434936941966055.html

In Europe, God Is (Not) Dead
Christian groups are growing, faith is more public.
Is supply-side economics the explanation?
By ANDREW HIGGINS
July 14, 2007

Stockholm

Late last year, a Swedish hotel guest named Stefan Jansson grew
upset when he found a Bible in his room.

Looks like your search skills need some tuning.


Well, I went looking, and all I can find is four links to...... this

single
source, the WSJ article. Which is a bit odd, as one would expect to find

one
or two local language sources, Sweden does have online versions of it's
quite active newspaper sector. But none at all?


I really do wonder whether some of the contributors to this thread
should be allowed Internet access without their parents'
supervision.

http://tinyurl.com/2bhepg


Thank-you for the link. As for your additional commentary, when a search
using the key-words 'Stefan Jansson Sweden Hotels Bibles' fails to turn up
any more than the links I mentioned, I would suggest that perhaps it is the
search engines at fault. Still, if it helps your self-esteem to feel smug
and clever, who cares anyway?



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Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/



  #25  
Old November 30th, 2007, 05:08 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.anarchism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.nordic,alt.bible
Bert Hyman
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Default Public Outrage Forces Swedish Hotels To Put Bibles Back

(brique) wrote in
:

As for your additional commentary, when a search
using the key-words 'Stefan Jansson Sweden Hotels Bibles' fails to
turn up any more than the links I mentioned, I would suggest that
perhaps it is the search engines at fault.


Simply remove the name of the single person mentioned in the WSJ
article and you'll get about 82,000 hits this morning.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
  #26  
Old November 30th, 2007, 07:38 PM posted to alt.atheism, alt.anarchism, rec.travel.air, soc.culture.nordic,alt.bible
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Default Public Outrage Forces Swedish Hotels To Put Bibles Back

On Nov 29, 10:59 pm, Craig Welch wrote:
said:

On Nov 29, 7:33 pm, Brian wrote:
Or you could just have clicked on the link provided which led here.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118434936941966055.html


Perhaps your denial is just another atheist lie.


I'm curious about your reply.


The Wall Street Journal was bought by Rupert Murdoch.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/07/31/AR200...


The man who made his fortune by turning real newspapers into tabloids
and *invented* the opinion-driven "news" report.


Same reporters.

Same editors.


Same agenda: keeping their jobs.

I've witnessed firsthand what happens when a large media company
changes ownership. There are people here doing things they never
thought they'd do. Doing things they never wanted to do...because they
have morgages and car loan payments and children to feed. That's what
makes the change so insidious. All these good people, doing bad things
to each other while the buisiness school morons laugh.

Are you saying that because of a recent change of ownership, the
paper has less credibility?


Yes. Witness what has happened to CNN. Or UPI. Or the Washington
Times.

Are you saying that because of a recent change of ownership, a given
article is a lie?


Murdoch has made his fortune screwing stupid people out of their money
by appealing to their base instincts. The man has turned some of
England's major newspapers into shrieking harpies, complete with
"celebrity news" and topless girls on page three. He does not care
about accuracy, he has no sense of civic responsibility, and he does
not care that his "news" organization increases levels of ignorance
and causes civic debate to run caustic.

He just wants the money, and he will say or do anything in his papers
to get it. He knows American audiences LUV JEZUZ!, so it's time to
throw `em a bone.

Better change that subscription to The Economist if you plan on
getting out of the markets before the crash...

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
  #27  
Old November 30th, 2007, 11:51 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.anarchism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.nordic,alt.bible
tim \(not at home\)
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Default Public Outrage Forces Swedish Hotels To Put Bibles Back


wrote in message
...
On Nov 29, 4:44 am, Sound of Trumpet
wrote:


useweights=no

No hits.

It would seem that this is simply another Christian lie.


I suggest that the most trustable account (in English) is he

http://www.thelocal.se/7186/20070503/

HTH

tim


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Old December 1st, 2007, 12:19 AM posted to alt.atheism,alt.anarchism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.nordic,alt.bible
Curly Surmudgeon[_2_]
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Default Public Outrage Forces Swedish Hotels To Put Bibles Back

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:51:59 +0100, tim (not at home) wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Nov 29, 4:44 am, Sound of Trumpet
wrote:


useweights=no

No hits.

It would seem that this is simply another Christian lie.


I suggest that the most trustable account (in English) is he

http://www.thelocal.se/7186/20070503/

HTH

tim


People who expect truth from the church or its believers are uniformly
ignorant and trusting. Experience will pop that bubble, hopefully before
they come to harm.

-- Regards, Curly
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Old December 1st, 2007, 12:23 AM posted to alt.atheism,alt.anarchism,rec.travel.air,alt.bible
Michael Gray
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Default I've never seen a bible in any hotel room in Europe

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:34:04 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:25:51 -0600, "Mistylein"
wrote:

The US of A Government is the Second beast of Revelation
13 if you may be interested.


Idiot.


"Mentally ill lunatic", more like it.
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Old December 1st, 2007, 12:27 AM posted to alt.atheism,alt.anarchism,rec.travel.air,alt.bible
Stein R
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Default Public Outrage Forces Swedish Hotels To Put Bibles Back

Sound of Trumpet wrote in
:

http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/..._archive.html#

87912303602
85898021



The Church in Europe

No, that's not an oxymoron. This article from the July 14, 2007 Wall
Street Journal tells us that after decades of decline, Christianity
seems to be making a modest comeback:

Late last year, a Swedish hotel guest named Stefan Jansson grew
upset when he found a Bible in his room. He fired off an email to the
hotel chain, saying the presence of the Christian scriptures was
"boring and stupefying." This spring, the Scandic chain, Scandinavia's
biggest, ordered the New Testaments removed.

In a country where barely 3% of the population goes to church each
week, the affair seemed just another step in Christian Europe's long
march toward secularism. Then something odd happened: A national furor
erupted. A conservative bishop announced a boycott. A leftist radical
who became a devout Christian and talk-show host denounced the
biblical purge in newspaper columns and on television. A young
evangelical Christian organized an electronic letter-writing campaign,
asking Scandic: Why are you removing Bibles but not pay-porn on your
TVs?

Scandic, which had started keeping its Bibles behind the front
desk, put the New Testament back in guest rooms.

"Sweden is not as secular as we thought," says Christer Sturmark,
head of Sweden's Humanist Association, a noisy assembly of
nonbelievers to which the Bible-protesting hotel guest belongs.


Or rather - Scandic hotels decided that very few atheists and agnostics
are rather unlikely to care very much either way about whether there is
a bible in a drawer in their hotel room or not. An organized boycot by
non-religious people was unlikely.

On the other hand, the hotel might lose a _little_ money from a
possible boycot by maybe a two or three thousand christians (about the
number who protested by clicking on the web pages of a christian
organization to send form letters of protest to the hotel, out of the
about 240 000 people in Sweden who regularily attend christian church
services).

So they decided that loss-benefit wise, it just wasn't worth it for
them. No benefit vs a tiny loss is still not worth it.

Hardly a massive groundswell of protest, when 3% of the population
attends church, and about 0.03% of the population protested the removal
of bibles - ie 1 in 100 out of the people who regularily attends church.

Seems like the 99 out of 100 other christian believers didn't think it
was a big issue worth making a fuss about.

Grin,
Stein
 




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