Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"

"Tim Kroesen" schreef in bericht
link.net...
Perhaps those critical to Americans should just 'go away' too...

You still don't get it. Nobody here is "critical to Americans". Many of us
are "critical to the current US government". There is a huge difference
between the two, as 75% of Americans are not guilty of electing the Bush
gang.

Sjoerd

Sjoerd; there's a ring around your eye from using that tired old trick
spy glass again... Do I really need to cite all the posts that don't
meet your own America/American bashing distinction???

Bottom line people; if you don't like America, Americans, or even our
visitation policies; stay home or go somewhere else. You expect the
same conduct from American tourists. Would I object to being
photographed and fingerprinted to visit Amsterdam next month; of course
NOT. Netherlands have the same rights to know who crossed their borders
as America does and I damn well have nothing to hide.

Should I then subsequently be singled out for additional scrutiny as I
cross other European borders if my passport was stamped; possibly; but
that goes with traveling to a well known drug liberal country and
culture, now doesn't it...

Tim K

"Sjoerd" wrote in message
...

"Tim Kroesen" schreef in bericht
link.net...
Perhaps those critical to Americans should just 'go away' too...

You still don't get it. Nobody here is "critical to Americans". Many
of us
are "critical to the current US government". There is a huge
difference
between the two, as 75% of Americans are not guilty of electing the
Bush
gang.

Sjoerd

john wrote:

I don't believe that the CIA and FBI had hardly enough Arab
translators.



You don't have to believe, I've read that in the NYT, Washington Post,
Chicago Tribune, Daily Oregonian and heard it on CNN, FNC, MSNBC.

gld

AJC wrote:

With the low value of the US currency, and the give away prices on
the Atlantic, by rights tourism to the US should have rocketed.



Since I'm reading from Rec.travel,air, the answer is: fewer flights
available.

Between PDX and ORD, I have only 60% of the direct flights available
a year ago when I first moved out west ...

gld

nobody wrote:

It was announced that the guy arrested in Canada was allegedly arrested based
solely on some USA NSA intercepts in the middle east that did not involve him.
(i.e. absolutely no evidence).



I haven't seen an update on this story on cbc.ca/news or globeandmail.ca
since the weekend.

Sounds like somebody had the same name as a criminal ... I read in the
NYT a year ago
about a Canadian man from Montreal, age 55, barred from a niece's
wedding in the US
because he had the same name as a 29 year old convicted car thief from
Vancouver, BC!
And he had a very common name, Ben Harrison or something like that.

To me, this is in the same league as the famous "intelligence" that forced
calcellation of AF and BA flights because of 5 year olds having the wrong name.



And a Welsh insurance agent, and a naturalized French citizen, elderly
woman,
who owns Chinese restaurants in her adopted country.

On top of that, an Indian CEO who booked a frequent flier seat to retain
his points;
his first and middle name, Abdul Haq, is similar to a Taliban figure who
was part of
a 55 person jail break in Kandahar last autumn.

gld

"devil" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:03:51 +0000, Chad Irby wrote:

In article ,
AJC wrote:

Liberalism is in no way
identifiable with left-wing politics, far from it.

In theory, technically, yes.

But in modern practical political terms, "liberal" has been co-opted by
the left as "their" term. In the US, when someone is referred to as
"liberal," it means they support policies on the left side of the
spectrum, and often the *far* left side.

Wrong. In US "modern etc" only.

True, after all, in Australia, we are governed by the centre-right Liberal
Party


No matter, still an oxymoron.

"Peter Kemp" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 01:31:21 GMT, "Gord Beaman" )
wrote:

"Marie Lewis" wrote:


In my country UK) fingerprints mean you are suspected of having
committed a
crime.
That is why we object.

Doesn't your military fingerprint it's members?...they do in
Canada...

Yup, all UK military are fingerprinted and DNA'd, to aid in
identification should you snuff it in the line....

Speaking for myself though, I work for the UK government, carry a
clearence, and have neither been printed, nor polygraphed, unlike my
US colleagues, and if I have to give my prints to any government
without having been even accused of a crime, it'll be mine first. And
Mr. Blunkett will have to give a damn good reason for it.
---
Peter Kemp


Hurrah! Well said.

"devil" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:27:54 +0200, AJC wrote:

Patriotism can be a great force for good and bad. Throughout history
extremists on the left and the right have used it to their advantage.

Excitation of nationalist feelings is always bad. "Patriotism" is just a
convenient word to make it sound otherwise.

No matter what, it's an "us vs. them" thing.



The Frenc have a word for it: chauvinism. That is what we are seeing in the
USA now: "my leader right or wrong!"

ML

Here in rec.travel.air,
"Marie Lewis" spake unto us, saying:

The Frenc have a word for it: chauvinism. That is what we are seeing
in the USA now: "my leader right or wrong!"

The majority of people that I know in my area of the US are simply not
in agreement with many of the current administration's policies, and
some are in very strong disagreement.

I find it somewhat shocking that citizens of the US are being portrayed
as all lining up behind their leadership. That simply isn't happening.

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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 04:07:10 -0500, (Richard
Steiner) wrote:

Here in rec.travel.air,
"Marie Lewis" spake unto us, saying:

The Frenc have a word for it: chauvinism. That is what we are seeing
in the USA now: "my leader right or wrong!"

The majority of people that I know in my area of the US are simply not
in agreement with many of the current administration's policies, and
some are in very strong disagreement.

I find it somewhat shocking that citizens of the US are being portrayed
as all lining up behind their leadership. That simply isn't happening.

It is the impression that one gets. Maybe in other democracies people
express their dissatisfaction with their governments more
vociferously.
--==++AJC++==--