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Avoid Delta and Atlanta
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Hilary wrote: Did you read my post? These fares are available to anyone with a credit card. I typed in Glasgow to Orlando into a random UK travel site (www.flights4less.co.uk), and the tickets for travel in August 2006 (August 1 through 14, presumably peak season for travel from Scotland to Florida) are cheaper than the tickets for April 1-14. It is classified as peak season, but not peak season for travel - most families wanted to travel earlier to avoid higher costs everywhere. Fewer people wanted GLA-MCO in August. They wanted to fly out end of June. That's the peak *travel* period. Look, dear, I can't look up fares for next June because they aren't out yet. But I am positive that they will be lower in the fall and winter than when they are first published next month. Qantas has every date between Dec 20 and Dec 23 available for $1900 roundtrip or so. Pricey, of course, but it's the lowest published fare for these dates. Exactly. It's pricey *because* the cheaper consolidated fares have gone. Nonsense. I simply posted the fares from qantas.com, which obviously doesn't have consolidated fares. Consolidated fares are plentifully available - I just did a quick search on airlineconsolidator.com (they are far from the cheapest, but one of the few that have their inventory online), and they are selling LAX-SYD tickets for these dates hundreds of dollars under the lowest published fare. If I really needed to fly from LAX to SYD, I'd get on the phone, call up a dozen consolidators from the travel pages of LA Times, and would have bought a much cheaper ticket than someone who is foolish enough to book 12 months in advance. Bottom line: some people are not very savvy. Airlines love them. They buy their tickets 12 months in advance the same way they buy extended warranties and paint protection for their cars, dotcom stocks (``before they go up in price''), duty-free perfumes, etc. Their agent told them it's a good deal, so it's got to be a good deal |
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In article , nobody wrote:
Qantas has every date between Dec 20 and Dec 23 available for $1900 roundtrip or so. Pricey, of course, but it's the lowest published fare for these dates. Consolidators seem to have the same dates for less on UA. How do you know they are the lowest published fares for those dates ? Looked up published fares for next December in Travelocity. Are you 100% sure that whatever web site you are using isn't filtering out fares that are no longer available ? Yes, I am 100% sure that Travelocity is not filtering out fares that are no longer available. Of course, these are *published* fares. For consolidated fares, I'd have to call up a bunch of consolidators, and it's just too much of a hassle. Sorry. A different example: this spring, a ferry, the Queen of the North sank in BC. BF Ferries is stuck with only one ship capable of doing this open water run through the inside passage, down from 2, and that ship has less capacity than the QofN. Right now, there is no available space in September because as soon as it happened, tour operators booked all available space on all sailings to keep their options opened, and BC Ferries is now working with them to release seats the tour operators won't be using on a week by week basis. Those who had booked as soon as the new schedules were announced would have had assured place on the date of their choice. Thos who didn't will have to wait until probablty a few weeks before their sailing time to get a confirmation and this may wreck their plans. And the relevance of this is... what exactly? You are comparing a ferry operator with one ship capable of doing ``this open water run through the inside passage'' (whatever that is) with London-Australia routes that have a dozen major operators with a fleet of 747s? |
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"John" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:21:17 GMT, "bunny" wrote: "Hilary" wrote And it seems that most people don't want to check prices every day for months just in case they can save a tenner or so. This is true. And for those who are willing to check prices frequently -- I don't know what all airlines do, but with United, if you buy a fare and then you see it go down, call United and ask them to give you a travel voucher for the difference. Don't other airlines do this as well? I only know about United because that's the airline I worked for. I wouldn't hesitate to book early on United because I know if the fare goes down I can get the difference back to apply to future travel. I want to get the lower price posted for the flight i am taking--not a future trip. Every time I have found a lower price they tell me --sorry all the tickets at that price are sold out for your flight. Even if I call the minute the lower price it listed I still get the same line. That doesn't have anything to do with what I posted. I posted about a guarantee that if the particular fare that I purchase goes down, I can get a travel voucher back for the difference. If I purchase that fare today for $400, and it goes down to $350, I can get a travel voucher back for $50. As for what you posted, I don't know what you mean by lowest price posted. Everyone wants to pay no more than the cheapest seat on the plane costs. The first people to book it get it, and that's just the way the universe works in the land of limited supply. |
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:17:59 GMT, "bunny"
wrote: "John" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:21:17 GMT, "bunny" wrote: "Hilary" wrote And it seems that most people don't want to check prices every day for months just in case they can save a tenner or so. This is true. And for those who are willing to check prices frequently -- I don't know what all airlines do, but with United, if you buy a fare and then you see it go down, call United and ask them to give you a travel voucher for the difference. Don't other airlines do this as well? I only know about United because that's the airline I worked for. I wouldn't hesitate to book early on United because I know if the fare goes down I can get the difference back to apply to future travel. I want to get the lower price posted for the flight i am taking--not a future trip. Every time I have found a lower price they tell me --sorry all the tickets at that price are sold out for your flight. Even if I call the minute the lower price it listed I still get the same line. That doesn't have anything to do with what I posted. I posted about a guarantee that if the particular fare that I purchase goes down, I can get a travel voucher back for the difference. If I purchase that fare today for $400, and it goes down to $350, I can get a travel voucher back for $50. As for what you posted, I don't know what you mean by lowest price posted. Everyone wants to pay no more than the cheapest seat on the plane costs. The first people to book it get it, and that's just the way the universe works in the land of limited supply. Let me explain it to you. I have purchased a ticket. I then check EVERY day (maybe several times a day)) for a lower fare for that airline. When I immediately contact the airline I am told there are no seats available for that price on the flight I am taking. what a coincidence!! I wonder how many seats they had on that plane at the lower price? one? two? What exactly are the FINE details for using the travel voucher? Where is the description on the UAL site that details the "find a lower fare--get a travel voucher? |
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VS wrote:
And the relevance of this is... what exactly? You are comparing a ferry operator with one ship capable of doing ``this open water run through the inside passage'' (whatever that is) with London-Australia routes that have a dozen major operators with a fleet of 747s? This is relevant. For a highly coveted travel date, there is only a limited capacity of real hard seats on aircraft. And airlines only make a small percentage available at a low rate. And whenever actaul capacity is limited on a specific travel date, then you need to handle the ticket purchasing differently. In the USA, there has been overcapacity, too many aircraft, too many flights and that means that US airlines rans flights with unsold seats. So it became expected to see seat sales during off-peak season. But it doesn't work that way everywhere else in the world. Say Delta unions were serious about a strike starting August 1. Would you wait before buying a Continental ticket hoping to see a seat sale appear for travel in early August ? Ain't going to happen because the threath of shutting down of Delta would mean new reservations would go to the other airlines and likely fill available capacity even before Delta would shutdown. Forget seat sale and even if you were willing to pay for business/first, you might find it hard to get a seat on the flighst you wanted. And for specific dates where you know that there are never any seat sales, then it is best to get your tickets early to ensure you can draw from the restricted inventory of the cheaper seats. |
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My issue with DL ( Avoid Delta and Atlanta)
"Rog'" wrote in message ... "Stan de SD" wrote: DL seems to have this idea that nobody would ever wish to SLEEP while traveling with them. Passengers on their SJC-ATL red-eye are subject to movies and in-flight video "entertainment" through mostt... God forbid that an airline should actually provide entertainment for insomniacs, who would alternatively, complain about the lack of same. God forbid that people should learn how to entertain themselves (ever heard of books?) instead of inconveniencing a majority that would prefer to SLEEP. ... the vast majority are pulling blankets over their heads and trying to shield their eyes from the flickering screen. Ever hear of eye-shades or dark glasses? Why in the hell should I have to impersonate Roy Orbison on an airline flight? No chance of grabbing any naps while connecting at ATL either - all the terminals are brightly lit 7/24, have repeated announcements over the PA, muzak and TV's blaring around the clock... Perhaps they do not want you to sleep thru the boarding of your next flight? Never had that problem in 25 years of flying, either as a crewmember or a passenger. |
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Stan de SD wrote:
Ever hear of eye-shades or dark glasses? Why in the hell should I have to impersonate Roy Orbison on an airline flight? This is actually a difficult question. On a 12 hour flight that is overnight, it would be expected to see the aircraft cabin in a "nighttime" setting so you don't have to have eyeshades or be woken up to be asked to fill forms etc. But on a 4 hour transcontinental flight that lands in daylight it isn't as opbvious on whether it is wrth moving cabin into "nighttime" mode. Consider you need probably 1 hour from takeoff until you can turn down lights, and definitely 1 hours before landing. So in the end, you'd only have 2 hours of darkness. Personally, on such a flight, they should turn down the lights at takeoff and leave them down until aircraft begins its descent to the destination. Someone can always turn on the individual reading lights if they wish to remain awake for the duration of the flight. |
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"John" wrote Let me explain it to you. I have purchased a ticket. I then check EVERY day (maybe several times a day)) for a lower fare for that airline. When I immediately contact the airline I am told there are no seats available for that price on the flight I am taking. what a coincidence!! I wonder how many seats they had on that plane at the lower price? one? two? What exactly are the FINE details for using the travel voucher? Where is the description on the UAL site that details the "find a lower fare--get a travel voucher? No, you are talking about something else entirely. Obviously an airline isn't going to give you a blanket guarantee that if you "find a lower fare" you get a travel voucher. The guarantee is regarding the fare for the ticket that you already purchased. If you purchased a fare basis code V fare and the price for that V fare you paid was $250, but then the price of that same V fare goes down to $220, you can contact UA and get a travel voucher for the difference. If you do not understand what I am saying, you can call UA res and ask them to explain it to you, and you can see whether it's anything you can use, if it's something you want to look into. The reason I brought it up in the first place is because in my experience, a lot of customers aren't aware they've got that option, and if it can save someone money, I'd like to see them be able to save that money. United res that you call on the phone and the UAL website are two different things, run by two different entities. Questions about the website need to go to their tech support. United res isn't even connected to the internet, isn't trained in anything having to do with the website, and can't see anything that goes on on the internet. Sorry I can't help you there. |
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:09:13 GMT, "bunny"
wrote: "John" wrote Let me explain it to you. I have purchased a ticket. I then check EVERY day (maybe several times a day)) for a lower fare for that airline. When I immediately contact the airline I am told there are no seats available for that price on the flight I am taking. what a coincidence!! I wonder how many seats they had on that plane at the lower price? one? two? What exactly are the FINE details for using the travel voucher? Where is the description on the UAL site that details the "find a lower fare--get a travel voucher? No, you are talking about something else entirely. Obviously an airline isn't going to give you a blanket guarantee that if you "find a lower fare" you get a travel voucher. The guarantee is regarding the fare for the ticket that you already purchased. If you purchased a fare basis code V fare and the price for that V fare you paid was $250, but then the price of that same V fare goes down to $220, you can contact UA and get a travel voucher for the difference. Is this described anywhere on the UAL site? If you do not understand what I am saying, you can call UA res and ask them to explain it to you, and you can see whether it's anything you can use, if it's something you want to look into. The reason I brought it up in the first place is because in my experience, a lot of customers aren't aware they've got that option, and if it can save someone money, I'd like to see them be able to save that money. United res that you call on the phone and the UAL website are two different things, run by two different entities. Questions about the website need to go to their tech support. Why should I go to tech support? I don't have a technical problem with the UAL web site. I am talking CONTENT. United res isn't even connected to the internet, isn't trained in anything having to do with the website, and can't see anything that goes on on the internet. Sorry I can't help you there. Again, I repeat: Where is the description on the UAL site that details the "find a lower fare--get a travel voucher? If this is such a wonderful feature that UAL offers to their customers why can't you point out where on the UAL web site UAL describes fully the details for use of this travel voucher? |
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