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Safety board wants airline passengers weighed
of course, since you would be going so fast, the time dialtion effect would
mean that you wouldn't know how long you were going The reason for using pax miles as the basis is that there's a bit of apples-oranges here in that miles is the only common denominator. IF you have a better idea, let's hear it. "misterfact" wrote in message om... If they developed a car that went just under the speed of light with one passenger in it and it drove safely for a day- it would amass such a great number of safe passenger/miles that it would far surpass the safety record of the airlines. Probably then- you will admit that passenger/miles is irrelevant in comparing safety statistics of different modes of transport! (Mike Harrison) wrote in message om... Jean C wrote in message ... Safety board wants airline passengers weighed Well, you know we are getting fatter as a nation when the weight of the passengers can actually cause the airplane to crash. I think Jay Leno mentioned something about this a while back. |
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DALing wrote: of course, since you would be going so fast, the time dialtion effect would mean that you wouldn't know how long you were going The reason for using pax miles as the basis is that there's a bit of apples-oranges here in that miles is the only common denominator. IF you have a better idea, let's hear it. The computation is based on MILES and Pax |
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which is what I meant but maybe not what I said. pax-miles (not seat miles
or load factor or whatever) "mtravelkay" wrote in message m... DALing wrote: of course, since you would be going so fast, the time dialtion effect would mean that you wouldn't know how long you were going The reason for using pax miles as the basis is that there's a bit of apples-oranges here in that miles is the only common denominator. IF you have a better idea, let's hear it. The computation is based on MILES and Pax |
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Safety board wants airline passengers weighed
(misterfact) wrote in message . com...
(Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om... (misterfact) wrote in message . com... If they developed a car that went just under the speed of light with one passenger in it and it drove safely for a day- it would amass such a great number of safe passenger/miles that it would far surpass the safety record of the airlines. Probably then- you will admit that passenger/miles is irrelevant in comparing safety statistics of different modes of transport! N of one and you're calculating a statistic. LOL big time. Thanks for clarifying one thing - you are a troll. I believe that there have been far fewer pasenger deaths and injuries on trains than in airplanes. Therefore, I would say that it is safer to take the train than fly. Would you like to theorize on that? There are fewer deaths from general aviation than from driving, so flying must be safer than driving. There are fewer deaths from scub diving than general aviation, so scuba diving must be safer than flying There are far fewer deaths from sky diving than scuba diving. Therefore skydiving is safer. There are only one fifth as many deaths power boat racing than skydiving, so power boat racing must be safer still. Therefore, you are safer racing your power boat than driving your car. Rationalize that. Yes - flying in a commercial plane is safer than driving in your car because the reason you do either is to get from point A to point B and the distance between the points is a constant. js |
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Safety board wants airline passengers weighed
On 11 Mar 2004 07:25:12 -0800, (misterfact)
wrote: (Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om... (misterfact) wrote in message . com... If they developed a car that went just under the speed of light with one passenger in it and it drove safely for a day- it would amass such a great number of safe passenger/miles that it would far surpass the safety record of the airlines. Probably then- you will admit that passenger/miles is irrelevant in comparing safety statistics of different modes of transport! N of one and you're calculating a statistic. LOL big time. Thanks for clarifying one thing - you are a troll. I believe that there have been far fewer pasenger deaths and injuries on trains than in airplanes. Therefore, I would say that it is safer to take the train than fly. Would you like to theorize on that? js I believe it's not so simple as that. Much depends on the relative availability of train stations and airports at a location convenient at both the origin and destination of the trip. In the US, travel by air is faster and more convenient. National Household Travel Survey Long Distance Travel Quick Facts Long Distance Trips are more than 50 miles from home to the furthest destination. How We Travel Nine out of 10 long-distance trips are by personal vehicle 7 percent of long distance trips are by air 2 percent of long distance trips are by bus 1 percent of long distance trips are by train Personal vehicles are used for almost all trips less than 300 roundtrip miles Nearly three-fourths of trips over 2,000 roundtrip miles were made by airplane How Far We Travel Americans total 1.3 trillion person-miles of long distance travel a year on about 2.6 billion long distance trips. The median distances on these trips a Air - 2,068 miles Bus - 287 miles Personal vehicle - 194 miles Train - 192 miles Why We Travel 56 percent of long distance trips are taken for pleasure — vacations, sightseeing trips, visiting friends or relatives, outdoor recreation Business trips are 16 percent of long distance trips Commuting to work is 13 percent of long distance trips Where We Travel 98 percent of long-distance trips are to destinations within the United States 62 percent of long distance trips are to destinations within the traveler's home state (intrastate travel) Who Travels Men make 57 percent of long distance trips Women make 55 percent of long distance trips taken by bus — men make the most long distance trips by personal vehicle, air and train 57 percent of long distance trips are made by travelers with a total household income of $50,000 or more Almost two-thirds of long distance trips are made by travelers age 25 to 64 SOURCE: National Household Travel Survey, 2001-2002 AMTRAK routes can be seen at http://www.amtrak.com/pdf/national.pdf By the way - have you taken the train to Europe from the US lately? |
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(Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om...
(misterfact) wrote in message . com... (Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om... (misterfact) wrote in message . com... If they developed a car that went just under the speed of light with one passenger in it and it drove safely for a day- it would amass such a great number of safe passenger/miles that it would far surpass the safety record of the airlines. Probably then- you will admit that passenger/miles is irrelevant in comparing safety statistics of different modes of transport! N of one and you're calculating a statistic. LOL big time. Thanks for clarifying one thing - you are a troll. I believe that there have been far fewer pasenger deaths and injuries on trains than in airplanes. Therefore, I would say that it is safer to take the train than fly. Would you like to theorize on that? There are fewer deaths from general aviation than from driving, so flying must be safer than driving. There are fewer deaths from scub diving than general aviation, so scuba diving must be safer than flying There are far fewer deaths from sky diving than scuba diving. Therefore skydiving is safer. There are only one fifth as many deaths power boat racing than skydiving, so power boat racing must be safer still. Therefore, you are safer racing your power boat than driving your car. Rationalize that. Yes - flying in a commercial plane is safer than driving in your car because the reason you do either is to get from point A to point B and the distance between the points is a constant. js Since you're going to compare constants- let's consider your constants of point A and point B. Most people who drive- drive from their DRIVEWAY to WORK. DRIVEWAY to the STORE. DRIVEWAY to DOWNTOWN. Since you're a fanatic at comparison- why don't you cite for us airline death statistics from THOSE TWO POINTS! HUH. If you want to be true to your statement- you should be comparing death statistics from flight travel to those who only take long distance car rides from your point A to point B. You certainly have to take into account the constants of both points to make any comparison. By the way- you should change you email address to : apples and since you insist on making comparisons of traveling long distances to IRRELEVANT death statistics of non-travel hobbies like scuba diving! |
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(misterfact) wrote in message om...
(Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om... (misterfact) wrote in message . com... (Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om... (misterfact) wrote in message . com... If they developed a car that went just under the speed of light with one passenger in it and it drove safely for a day- it would amass such a great number of safe passenger/miles that it would far surpass the safety record of the airlines. Probably then- you will admit that passenger/miles is irrelevant in comparing safety statistics of different modes of transport! N of one and you're calculating a statistic. LOL big time. Thanks for clarifying one thing - you are a troll. I believe that there have been far fewer pasenger deaths and injuries on trains than in airplanes. Therefore, I would say that it is safer to take the train than fly. Would you like to theorize on that? There are fewer deaths from general aviation than from driving, so flying must be safer than driving. There are fewer deaths from scub diving than general aviation, so scuba diving must be safer than flying There are far fewer deaths from sky diving than scuba diving. Therefore skydiving is safer. There are only one fifth as many deaths power boat racing than skydiving, so power boat racing must be safer still. Therefore, you are safer racing your power boat than driving your car. Rationalize that. Yes - flying in a commercial plane is safer than driving in your car because the reason you do either is to get from point A to point B and the distance between the points is a constant. js Since you're going to compare constants- let's consider your constants of point A and point B. Most people who drive- drive from their DRIVEWAY to WORK. DRIVEWAY to the STORE. DRIVEWAY to DOWNTOWN. All driving and All flying. There are people who fly from New York to Paris - idiot. Since you're a fanatic at comparison- why don't you cite for us airline death statistics from THOSE TWO POINTS! HUH. For five years I flew from home to work. Not once did I die. If you want to be true to your statement- you should be comparing death statistics from flight travel to those who only take long distance car rides from your point A to point B. You certainly have to take into account the constants of both points to make any comparison. And all the people that drive transatlantic. By the way- you should change you email address to : apples and since you insist on making comparisons of traveling long distances to IRRELEVANT death statistics of non-travel hobbies like scuba diving! I used your logic to show how speed boat racing is safer than driving. Your logic - not mine. I thought is kinda fun. Good bye. js |
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Safety board wants airline passengers weighed
(Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om...
(misterfact) wrote in message om... (Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om... (misterfact) wrote in message . com... (Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om... (misterfact) wrote in message . com... If they developed a car that went just under the speed of light with one passenger in it and it drove safely for a day- it would amass such a great number of safe passenger/miles that it would far surpass the safety record of the airlines. Probably then- you will admit that passenger/miles is irrelevant in comparing safety statistics of different modes of transport! N of one and you're calculating a statistic. LOL big time. Thanks for clarifying one thing - you are a troll. I believe that there have been far fewer pasenger deaths and injuries on trains than in airplanes. Therefore, I would say that it is safer to take the train than fly. Would you like to theorize on that? There are fewer deaths from general aviation than from driving, so flying must be safer than driving. There are fewer deaths from scub diving than general aviation, so scuba diving must be safer than flying There are far fewer deaths from sky diving than scuba diving. Therefore skydiving is safer. There are only one fifth as many deaths power boat racing than skydiving, so power boat racing must be safer still. Therefore, you are safer racing your power boat than driving your car. Rationalize that. Yes - flying in a commercial plane is safer than driving in your car because the reason you do either is to get from point A to point B and the distance between the points is a constant. js Since you're going to compare constants- let's consider your constants of point A and point B. Most people who drive- drive from their DRIVEWAY to WORK. DRIVEWAY to the STORE. DRIVEWAY to DOWNTOWN. All driving and All flying. There are people who fly from New York to Paris - idiot. Since you're a fanatic at comparison- why don't you cite for us airline death statistics from THOSE TWO POINTS! HUH. For five years I flew from home to work. Not once did I die. If you want to be true to your statement- you should be comparing death statistics from flight travel to those who only take long distance car rides from your point A to point B. You certainly have to take into account the constants of both points to make any comparison. And all the people that drive transatlantic. By the way- you should change you email address to : apples and since you insist on making comparisons of traveling long distances to IRRELEVANT death statistics of non-travel hobbies like scuba diving! I used your logic to show how speed boat racing is safer than driving. Your logic - not mine. I thought is kinda fun. Good bye. Your "logic" is comparing speed boat racing to driving and as you say, "be consistant in comparing: 1. death statistics in each mode of transport and 2. comparing travel from point A to point B in each mode. Why don't you show us those death statistic from driving your BOAT from your garage to work! New York to California !! Do you understand what "equal comparisons" mean? How about "representative sampling". It's obvious that we need an expert statistician on this board. js |
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