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  #42  
Old March 11th, 2004, 02:10 AM
DALing
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of course, since you would be going so fast, the time dialtion effect would
mean that you wouldn't know how long you were going

The reason for using pax miles as the basis is that there's a bit of
apples-oranges here in that miles is the only common denominator. IF you
have a better idea, let's hear it.

"misterfact" wrote in message
om...
If they developed a car that went just under the speed of light with
one passenger in it and it drove safely for a day- it would amass such
a great number of safe passenger/miles that it would far surpass the
safety record of the airlines. Probably then- you will admit that
passenger/miles is irrelevant in comparing safety statistics of
different modes of transport!


(Mike Harrison) wrote in message

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Jean C wrote in message

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Safety board wants airline passengers weighed


Well, you know we are getting fatter as a nation when the weight of
the passengers can actually cause the airplane to crash. I think Jay
Leno mentioned something about this a while back.



  #43  
Old March 11th, 2004, 03:11 AM
mtravelkay
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DALing wrote:
of course, since you would be going so fast, the time dialtion effect would
mean that you wouldn't know how long you were going

The reason for using pax miles as the basis is that there's a bit of
apples-oranges here in that miles is the only common denominator. IF you
have a better idea, let's hear it.


The computation is based on MILES and Pax

  #44  
Old March 11th, 2004, 05:34 AM
DALing
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Default Safety board wants airline passengers weighed

which is what I meant but maybe not what I said. pax-miles (not seat miles
or load factor or whatever)

"mtravelkay" wrote in message
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DALing wrote:
of course, since you would be going so fast, the time dialtion effect

would
mean that you wouldn't know how long you were going

The reason for using pax miles as the basis is that there's a bit of
apples-oranges here in that miles is the only common denominator. IF

you
have a better idea, let's hear it.


The computation is based on MILES and Pax


  #46  
Old March 11th, 2004, 08:15 PM
Jonathan Smith
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Default Safety board wants airline passengers weighed

(misterfact) wrote in message . com...
(Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om...
(misterfact) wrote in message . com...
If they developed a car that went just under the speed of light with
one passenger in it and it drove safely for a day- it would amass such
a great number of safe passenger/miles that it would far surpass the
safety record of the airlines. Probably then- you will admit that
passenger/miles is irrelevant in comparing safety statistics of
different modes of transport!


N of one and you're calculating a statistic. LOL big time.

Thanks for clarifying one thing - you are a troll.



I believe that there have been far fewer pasenger deaths and
injuries on trains than in airplanes. Therefore, I would say that it
is safer to take the train than fly. Would you like to theorize on
that?


There are fewer deaths from general aviation than from driving, so
flying must be safer than driving.

There are fewer deaths from scub diving than general aviation, so
scuba diving must be safer than flying

There are far fewer deaths from sky diving than scuba diving.
Therefore skydiving is safer.

There are only one fifth as many deaths power boat racing than
skydiving, so power boat racing must be safer still.

Therefore, you are safer racing your power boat than driving your car.

Rationalize that.

Yes - flying in a commercial plane is safer than driving in your car
because the reason you do either is to get from point A to point B and
the distance between the points is a constant.

js
  #47  
Old March 11th, 2004, 11:32 PM
Bob Ward
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Default Safety board wants airline passengers weighed

On 11 Mar 2004 07:25:12 -0800, (misterfact)
wrote:

(Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om...
(misterfact) wrote in message . com...
If they developed a car that went just under the speed of light with
one passenger in it and it drove safely for a day- it would amass such
a great number of safe passenger/miles that it would far surpass the
safety record of the airlines. Probably then- you will admit that
passenger/miles is irrelevant in comparing safety statistics of
different modes of transport!


N of one and you're calculating a statistic. LOL big time.

Thanks for clarifying one thing - you are a troll.



I believe that there have been far fewer pasenger deaths and
injuries on trains than in airplanes. Therefore, I would say that it
is safer to take the train than fly. Would you like to theorize on
that?


js



I believe it's not so simple as that. Much depends on the relative
availability of train stations and airports at a location convenient
at both the origin and destination of the trip.


In the US, travel by air is faster and more convenient.

National Household Travel Survey
Long Distance Travel Quick Facts
Long Distance Trips are more than 50 miles from home to the furthest
destination.

How We Travel
Nine out of 10 long-distance trips are by personal vehicle
7 percent of long distance trips are by air
2 percent of long distance trips are by bus
1 percent of long distance trips are by train
Personal vehicles are used for almost all trips less than 300
roundtrip miles
Nearly three-fourths of trips over 2,000 roundtrip miles were made by
airplane
How Far We Travel
Americans total 1.3 trillion person-miles of long distance travel a
year on about 2.6 billion long distance trips.
The median distances on these trips a
Air - 2,068 miles
Bus - 287 miles
Personal vehicle - 194 miles
Train - 192 miles
Why We Travel
56 percent of long distance trips are taken for pleasure — vacations,
sightseeing trips, visiting friends or relatives, outdoor recreation
Business trips are 16 percent of long distance trips
Commuting to work is 13 percent of long distance trips
Where We Travel
98 percent of long-distance trips are to destinations within the
United States
62 percent of long distance trips are to destinations within the
traveler's home state (intrastate travel)
Who Travels
Men make 57 percent of long distance trips
Women make 55 percent of long distance trips taken by bus — men make
the most long distance trips by personal vehicle, air and train
57 percent of long distance trips are made by travelers with a total
household income of $50,000 or more
Almost two-thirds of long distance trips are made by travelers age 25
to 64
SOURCE: National Household Travel Survey, 2001-2002




AMTRAK routes can be seen at
http://www.amtrak.com/pdf/national.pdf

By the way - have you taken the train to Europe from the US lately?
  #48  
Old March 12th, 2004, 06:28 PM
misterfact
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Default Safety board wants airline passengers weighed

(Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om...
(misterfact) wrote in message . com...
(Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om...
(misterfact) wrote in message . com...
If they developed a car that went just under the speed of light with
one passenger in it and it drove safely for a day- it would amass such
a great number of safe passenger/miles that it would far surpass the
safety record of the airlines. Probably then- you will admit that
passenger/miles is irrelevant in comparing safety statistics of
different modes of transport!

N of one and you're calculating a statistic. LOL big time.

Thanks for clarifying one thing - you are a troll.



I believe that there have been far fewer pasenger deaths and
injuries on trains than in airplanes. Therefore, I would say that it
is safer to take the train than fly. Would you like to theorize on
that?


There are fewer deaths from general aviation than from driving, so
flying must be safer than driving.

There are fewer deaths from scub diving than general aviation, so
scuba diving must be safer than flying

There are far fewer deaths from sky diving than scuba diving.
Therefore skydiving is safer.

There are only one fifth as many deaths power boat racing than
skydiving, so power boat racing must be safer still.

Therefore, you are safer racing your power boat than driving your car.

Rationalize that.

Yes - flying in a commercial plane is safer than driving in your car
because the reason you do either is to get from point A to point B and
the distance between the points is a constant.

js


Since you're going to compare constants- let's consider your
constants of point A and point B. Most people who drive- drive from
their DRIVEWAY to WORK. DRIVEWAY to the STORE. DRIVEWAY to DOWNTOWN.

Since you're a fanatic at comparison- why don't you cite for us
airline death statistics from THOSE TWO POINTS! HUH.

If you want to be true to your statement- you should be comparing
death statistics from flight travel to those who only take long
distance car rides from your point A to point B. You certainly have to
take into account the constants of both points to make any comparison.

By the way- you should change you email address to : apples and
since you insist on making comparisons of traveling
long distances to IRRELEVANT death statistics of non-travel hobbies
like scuba diving!
  #49  
Old March 14th, 2004, 05:17 PM
Jonathan Smith
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Default Safety board wants airline passengers weighed

(misterfact) wrote in message om...
(Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om...
(misterfact) wrote in message . com...
(Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om...
(misterfact) wrote in message . com...
If they developed a car that went just under the speed of light with
one passenger in it and it drove safely for a day- it would amass such
a great number of safe passenger/miles that it would far surpass the
safety record of the airlines. Probably then- you will admit that
passenger/miles is irrelevant in comparing safety statistics of
different modes of transport!

N of one and you're calculating a statistic. LOL big time.

Thanks for clarifying one thing - you are a troll.


I believe that there have been far fewer pasenger deaths and
injuries on trains than in airplanes. Therefore, I would say that it
is safer to take the train than fly. Would you like to theorize on
that?


There are fewer deaths from general aviation than from driving, so
flying must be safer than driving.

There are fewer deaths from scub diving than general aviation, so
scuba diving must be safer than flying

There are far fewer deaths from sky diving than scuba diving.
Therefore skydiving is safer.

There are only one fifth as many deaths power boat racing than
skydiving, so power boat racing must be safer still.

Therefore, you are safer racing your power boat than driving your car.

Rationalize that.

Yes - flying in a commercial plane is safer than driving in your car
because the reason you do either is to get from point A to point B and
the distance between the points is a constant.

js


Since you're going to compare constants- let's consider your
constants of point A and point B. Most people who drive- drive from
their DRIVEWAY to WORK. DRIVEWAY to the STORE. DRIVEWAY to DOWNTOWN.


All driving and All flying. There are people who fly from New York to
Paris - idiot.


Since you're a fanatic at comparison- why don't you cite for us
airline death statistics from THOSE TWO POINTS! HUH.


For five years I flew from home to work. Not once did I die.

If you want to be true to your statement- you should be comparing
death statistics from flight travel to those who only take long
distance car rides from your point A to point B. You certainly have to
take into account the constants of both points to make any comparison.


And all the people that drive transatlantic.

By the way- you should change you email address to : apples and
since you insist on making comparisons of traveling
long distances to IRRELEVANT death statistics of non-travel hobbies
like scuba diving!


I used your logic to show how speed boat racing is safer than driving.
Your logic - not mine.

I thought is kinda fun.

Good bye.

js
  #50  
Old March 15th, 2004, 09:31 PM
misterfact
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Default Safety board wants airline passengers weighed

(Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om...
(misterfact) wrote in message om...
(Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om...
(misterfact) wrote in message . com...
(Jonathan Smith) wrote in message om...
(misterfact) wrote in message . com...
If they developed a car that went just under the speed of light with
one passenger in it and it drove safely for a day- it would amass such
a great number of safe passenger/miles that it would far surpass the
safety record of the airlines. Probably then- you will admit that
passenger/miles is irrelevant in comparing safety statistics of
different modes of transport!

N of one and you're calculating a statistic. LOL big time.

Thanks for clarifying one thing - you are a troll.


I believe that there have been far fewer pasenger deaths and
injuries on trains than in airplanes. Therefore, I would say that it
is safer to take the train than fly. Would you like to theorize on
that?

There are fewer deaths from general aviation than from driving, so
flying must be safer than driving.

There are fewer deaths from scub diving than general aviation, so
scuba diving must be safer than flying

There are far fewer deaths from sky diving than scuba diving.
Therefore skydiving is safer.

There are only one fifth as many deaths power boat racing than
skydiving, so power boat racing must be safer still.

Therefore, you are safer racing your power boat than driving your car.

Rationalize that.

Yes - flying in a commercial plane is safer than driving in your car
because the reason you do either is to get from point A to point B and
the distance between the points is a constant.

js


Since you're going to compare constants- let's consider your
constants of point A and point B. Most people who drive- drive from
their DRIVEWAY to WORK. DRIVEWAY to the STORE. DRIVEWAY to DOWNTOWN.


All driving and All flying. There are people who fly from New York to
Paris - idiot.


Since you're a fanatic at comparison- why don't you cite for us
airline death statistics from THOSE TWO POINTS! HUH.


For five years I flew from home to work. Not once did I die.

If you want to be true to your statement- you should be comparing
death statistics from flight travel to those who only take long
distance car rides from your point A to point B. You certainly have to
take into account the constants of both points to make any comparison.


And all the people that drive transatlantic.

By the way- you should change you email address to : apples and
since you insist on making comparisons of traveling
long distances to IRRELEVANT death statistics of non-travel hobbies
like scuba diving!


I used your logic to show how speed boat racing is safer than driving.
Your logic - not mine.

I thought is kinda fun.

Good bye.


Your "logic" is comparing speed boat racing to driving and as you
say, "be consistant in comparing: 1. death statistics in each mode of
transport and 2. comparing travel from point A to point B in each
mode. Why don't you show us those death statistic from driving your
BOAT from your garage to work! New York to California !! Do you
understand what "equal comparisons" mean? How about "representative
sampling". It's obvious that we need an expert statistician on this
board.

js

 




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