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Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from flying in
through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside. Considering how many European hotels lack air conditioning, window screens would be useful in controlling mosquitoes access to sleeping quarters without the guests stifling to death due to lack of air circulation. I'm sure screens can be made in varous sizes, even for Eurpean-sized windows. See photo: http://www.crystalclearwindows.com/w...%20screen1.jpg |
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Kevin wrote:
Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from flying in through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside. Considering how many European hotels lack air conditioning, window screens would be useful in controlling mosquitoes access to sleeping quarters without the guests stifling to death due to lack of air circulation. I'm sure screens can be made in varous sizes, even for Eurpean-sized windows. I've always marvelled at that myself. According to my German wife, windows in the past in some areas had screens in the days when you would change the screens for glass in the winter. Now, of course, most places have double glazed windows. However, this doesn't suggest why screens are not used because they could easily be fitted to such windows as they all tend to open inwards in their two open configurations. Putting up screens on multi-story buildings might be difficult. Living in Stuttgart, we don't really have any mosquito problems. However, what is worse are moths that can enter your house and eat your textiles. George |
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Kevin wrote:
Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from flying in through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside. I think that anybody knows what they are, at least in his own local language. I'm sure screens can be made in varous sizes, even for Eurpean-sized windows. Here in Germany, they are mostly made without any size: The net fabric is sold by the meter or in certain sizes. A kind of self adhesive velco tape sticks to the window frame an the fabric is simply fixed to itand cut around to the right size. Those devices are available at any DYI market, i. e. at any corner. See http://www.tesa.de/consumer/products/flieg11. Window screens with own (aluminum) frames and/or wire netting are not as popular as in the States. The house where I grew up in South Germany had window screens made from wire net and light wooden frames that were hooked to the windows during the warmer months and removed during the winter. Jens |
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On 2 May 2005 22:38:50 -0700, "george" wrote:
Kevin wrote: Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from flying in through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside. Considering how many European hotels lack air conditioning, window screens would be useful in controlling mosquitoes access to sleeping quarters without the guests stifling to death due to lack of air circulation. I can't speak for all Europe, but I can give a little perspective on my particular corner of Italy. First, screens are ugly and would probably not be allowed in the historical center of my town for aesthetic reasons: the only window fixtures allowed, other than the glass, are the traditional wooden shutters, painted green. Outside the historical center, the rules are much more flexible, but screens are still perceived as ugly. Second, screens do impede the circulation of air. You get a much better breeze without them. During the day, all our windows and the door to our terrace are open wide, and I love the airiness and also the unimpeded views of the countryside and the Apennine range. Third, many Italians wouldn't dream of sleeping with the windows open, as the night air is considered dangerous to the health. The first year I was in Italy, I couldn't believe my husband really intended to sleep all summer with the windows shut tight. I couldn't convince him that we wouldn't die of pneumonia if we opened the windows. He would leave the windows open during the day and evening, when no one was in the bedroom and no lights were on. In these circumstances, the mosquitoes stayed outside. Our windows have a sort of heavy metal shutter, called a "seranda", that has some little holes in it. At bedtime, he would close this heavy shutter, which pretty much kept mosquitoes out, but also kept that dangerous drafty air out. If the temperature was below about 85 degrees, he kept both the shutters and the windows closed. I often slept on the terrace to get a bit of air.There were maybe two nights that year that it was so hot that even he wanted to open both the windows and the shutters. On those nights, he just didn't turn on a light in the bedroom as a way of discouraging mosquitoes. The summer of 2003 was so unusually hot that even my husband felt the need of overnight air most nights. So he bought a sort of screen for the bedroom, that you can pull up and down like a shade. I ordered one also for my little office. My husband asked his son, who lives in the US, but spends a good part of the summer in Italy, if he also wanted a screen in his bedroom, but his son said he didn't. That shows that sceens are not a big priority for Italians. However, that may be changing, as I see a lot more of them for sale now. I also see more air conditioners for sale. Unless it gets a lot hotter, I wouldn't want that. -- Barbara Vaughan My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup |
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On 2 May 2005 22:38:50 -0700, "george" wrote:
Kevin wrote: Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from flying in through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside. Considering how many European hotels lack air conditioning, window screens would be useful in controlling mosquitoes access to sleeping quarters without the guests stifling to death due to lack of air circulation. I can't speak for all Europe, but I can give a little perspective on my particular corner of Italy. First, screens are ugly and would probably not be allowed in the historical center of my town for aesthetic reasons: the only window fixtures allowed, other than the glass, are the traditional wooden shutters, painted green. Outside the historical center, the rules are much more flexible, but screens are still perceived as ugly. Second, screens do impede the circulation of air. You get a much better breeze without them. During the day, all our windows and the door to our terrace are open wide, and I love the airiness and also the unimpeded views of the countryside and the Apennine range. Third, many Italians wouldn't dream of sleeping with the windows open, as the night air is considered dangerous to the health. The first year I was in Italy, I couldn't believe my husband really intended to sleep all summer with the windows shut tight. I couldn't convince him that we wouldn't die of pneumonia if we opened the windows. He would leave the windows open during the day and evening, when no one was in the bedroom and no lights were on. In these circumstances, the mosquitoes stayed outside. Our windows have a sort of heavy metal shutter, called a "seranda", that has some little holes in it. At bedtime, he would close this heavy shutter, which pretty much kept mosquitoes out, but also kept that dangerous drafty air out. If the temperature was below about 85 degrees, he kept both the shutters and the windows closed. I often slept on the terrace to get a bit of air.There were maybe two nights that year that it was so hot that even he wanted to open both the windows and the shutters. On those nights, he just didn't turn on a light in the bedroom as a way of discouraging mosquitoes. The summer of 2003 was so unusually hot that even my husband felt the need of overnight air most nights. So he bought a sort of screen for the bedroom, that you can pull up and down like a shade. I ordered one also for my little office. My husband asked his son, who lives in the US, but spends a good part of the summer in Italy, if he also wanted a screen in his bedroom, but his son said he didn't. That shows that sceens are not a big priority for Italians. However, that may be changing, as I see a lot more of them for sale now. I also see more air conditioners for sale. Unless it gets a lot hotter, I wouldn't want that. -- Barbara Vaughan My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup |
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"Kevin" wrote in message ... Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from flying in through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside. Considering how many European hotels lack air conditioning, window screens would be useful in controlling mosquitoes access to sleeping quarters without the guests stifling to death due to lack of air circulation. I'm sure screens can be made in varous sizes, even for Eurpean-sized windows. In the UK many people have transparent net curtains that work quite well as a bug screen as well as allowing those inside to see out while notting letting outsiders see in (in daylight) Also used as an insect screen are bead curtains which are also useful for doorways http://www.onevillage.org/walk-through-curtain.htm In England of course we dont have many mosquitoes around and the main nocturnal pests are moths which while harmless to humans usually cause the females of my household to panic when they start fluttering around the light fittings Keith ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Here in Germany(Rheinland-Pfalz and Hessen), most people sleep with the
windows open, even during the winter. Also almost all windows have a complete system with built in metal shutters(without as many holes) that roll up over the door way, and the windows can be open all the way, or have a middle position when the top part of the window tilts into the house. Do wish I could get thoses in the US. For the most part insects are rare so they screens are not really needed, however I have seen a few houses with them built in, primarily in the bedrooms. What you do find a little more often are screens with sticky tape on them which can be purchased and placed on the outside. |
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On Tue, 03 May 2005 15:08:21 +0200, B
wrote: On 2 May 2005 22:38:50 -0700, "george" wrote: Kevin wrote: Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from flying in through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside. Considering how many European hotels lack air conditioning, window screens would be useful in controlling mosquitoes access to sleeping quarters without the guests stifling to death due to lack of air circulation. I can't speak for all Europe, but I can give a little perspective on my particular corner of Italy. First, screens are ugly and would probably not be allowed in the historical center of my town for aesthetic reasons: the only window fixtures allowed, other than the glass, are the traditional wooden shutters, painted green. Outside the historical center, the rules are much more flexible, but screens are still perceived as ugly. Second, screens do impede the circulation of air. You get a much better breeze without them. During the day, all our windows and the door to our terrace are open wide, and I love the airiness and also the unimpeded views of the countryside and the Apennine range. Third, many Italians wouldn't dream of sleeping with the windows open, as the night air is considered dangerous to the health. The first year I was in Italy, I couldn't believe my husband really intended to sleep all summer with the windows shut tight. I couldn't convince him that we wouldn't die of pneumonia if we opened the windows. He would leave the windows open during the day and evening, when no one was in the bedroom and no lights were on. In these circumstances, the mosquitoes stayed outside. Our windows have a sort of heavy metal shutter, called a "seranda", that has some little holes in it. At bedtime, he would close this heavy shutter, which pretty much kept mosquitoes out, but also kept that dangerous drafty air out. If the temperature was below about 85 degrees, he kept both the shutters and the windows closed. I often slept on the terrace to get a bit of air.There were maybe two nights that year that it was so hot that even he wanted to open both the windows and the shutters. On those nights, he just didn't turn on a light in the bedroom as a way of discouraging mosquitoes. The summer of 2003 was so unusually hot that even my husband felt the need of overnight air most nights. So he bought a sort of screen for the bedroom, that you can pull up and down like a shade. I ordered one also for my little office. My husband asked his son, who lives in the US, but spends a good part of the summer in Italy, if he also wanted a screen in his bedroom, but his son said he didn't. That shows that sceens are not a big priority for Italians. However, that may be changing, as I see a lot more of them for sale now. I also see more air conditioners for sale. Unless it gets a lot hotter, I wouldn't want that. Hi Barbara I read it all, understood your point of view, and disagree entirely:-) After living all my life in a country where every window has a screen on it, or at least, has had a screen since the 1950s, the pre-conceptions just don't stand up in real life. "First, screens are ugly and would probably not be allowed in the historical center of my town for aesthetic reasons" Not if they are properly designed. Come out here and look around. "Second, screens do impede the circulation of air. You get a much better breeze without them." Sorry, but that just not true with modern fine-mesh screens. And you sure get a better movement of air than you do through a window that had to be closed to keep out the bugs and flies. I didn't expect to find the total lack of screens that I did in Europe. And, as the spring turned to summer, I was surprised to find there were nearly as many flies in the European country towns as we get back here - all those cattle should have been a clue. Maybe it's different in Italy. But, in Mycenae (tiny flies kept invading the wine-jug in the restaurant), Zbraslav (Prague, moths), Seeg (Bavaria, flies) and many other little country villages the insects were a problem that we noticed and everyone else blithely ignored. Actually, it was the same in Buonconvento in early May '03; the 4* hotel refused to turn on the air-conditioner on a very hot night (claimed the government didn't allow it before a certain date), so we had to open the windows wide - with an invasion of assorted bugs. As an aside, some other time I'll post a story on bugs in Darwin. You call that a bug?... Cheers, Alan, Australia |
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On Tue, 03 May 2005 15:08:21 +0200, B
wrote: On 2 May 2005 22:38:50 -0700, "george" wrote: Kevin wrote: Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from flying in through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside. Considering how many European hotels lack air conditioning, window screens would be useful in controlling mosquitoes access to sleeping quarters without the guests stifling to death due to lack of air circulation. I can't speak for all Europe, but I can give a little perspective on my particular corner of Italy. First, screens are ugly and would probably not be allowed in the historical center of my town for aesthetic reasons: the only window fixtures allowed, other than the glass, are the traditional wooden shutters, painted green. Outside the historical center, the rules are much more flexible, but screens are still perceived as ugly. Second, screens do impede the circulation of air. You get a much better breeze without them. During the day, all our windows and the door to our terrace are open wide, and I love the airiness and also the unimpeded views of the countryside and the Apennine range. Third, many Italians wouldn't dream of sleeping with the windows open, as the night air is considered dangerous to the health. The first year I was in Italy, I couldn't believe my husband really intended to sleep all summer with the windows shut tight. I couldn't convince him that we wouldn't die of pneumonia if we opened the windows. He would leave the windows open during the day and evening, when no one was in the bedroom and no lights were on. In these circumstances, the mosquitoes stayed outside. Our windows have a sort of heavy metal shutter, called a "seranda", that has some little holes in it. At bedtime, he would close this heavy shutter, which pretty much kept mosquitoes out, but also kept that dangerous drafty air out. If the temperature was below about 85 degrees, he kept both the shutters and the windows closed. I often slept on the terrace to get a bit of air.There were maybe two nights that year that it was so hot that even he wanted to open both the windows and the shutters. On those nights, he just didn't turn on a light in the bedroom as a way of discouraging mosquitoes. The summer of 2003 was so unusually hot that even my husband felt the need of overnight air most nights. So he bought a sort of screen for the bedroom, that you can pull up and down like a shade. I ordered one also for my little office. My husband asked his son, who lives in the US, but spends a good part of the summer in Italy, if he also wanted a screen in his bedroom, but his son said he didn't. That shows that sceens are not a big priority for Italians. However, that may be changing, as I see a lot more of them for sale now. I also see more air conditioners for sale. Unless it gets a lot hotter, I wouldn't want that. Hi Barbara I read it all, understood your point of view, and disagree entirely:-) After living all my life in a country where every window has a screen on it, or at least, has had a screen since the 1950s, the pre-conceptions just don't stand up in real life. "First, screens are ugly and would probably not be allowed in the historical center of my town for aesthetic reasons" Not if they are properly designed. Come out here and look around. "Second, screens do impede the circulation of air. You get a much better breeze without them." Sorry, but that just not true with modern fine-mesh screens. And you sure get a better movement of air than you do through a window that had to be closed to keep out the bugs and flies. I didn't expect to find the total lack of screens that I did in Europe. And, as the spring turned to summer, I was surprised to find there were nearly as many flies in the European country towns as we get back here - all those cattle should have been a clue. Maybe it's different in Italy. But, in Mycenae (tiny flies kept invading the wine-jug in the restaurant), Zbraslav (Prague, moths), Seeg (Bavaria, flies) and many other little country villages the insects were a problem that we noticed and everyone else blithely ignored. Actually, it was the same in Buonconvento in early May '03; the 4* hotel refused to turn on the air-conditioner on a very hot night (claimed the government didn't allow it before a certain date), so we had to open the windows wide - with an invasion of assorted bugs. As an aside, some other time I'll post a story on bugs in Darwin. You call that a bug?... Cheers, Alan, Australia |
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and the windows can be open all the way, or have a middle position
when the top part of the window tilts into the house. Do wish I could get thoses in the US. Those windows can be ordered in the USA with no problem. Most Americans prefer windows with screens, so those windows are not common. For the most part insects are rare so they screens are not really needed, Maybe where you are, but I remember a hotel in Zurich where the flies were all over the breakfast. Yuk! Pete |
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