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abolishing tipping?
"Shashay Doofray" wrote in message ... "tina lekas miller" wrote in message om... hello out there, I am of the opinion that tipping practices in the US, at least my part of the US have gone overboard. what do you think of making employers jack up their employees pay (and the cost of their services) by whatever percentage say 15% and forbid tipping. Nobody tips the lawyer, the graphic designer, the teacher, the librarian, the grocery store check out clerk, the admin assistant, the traffic cop, the Walgreens checkout clerk or a million other jobs. Why this selective situation where we subsidize the paycheck of certain job categories. Yes prices will rise. But we are paying it anyway. please let me know what you think. thanks tina I think it woiuld be a great idea if lawyers, etc., only got $3.00 per hour and relied on the quality of their service and the TIPS that they received for income. It's called contingency. For some lawyers they don't get paid if they don't win. The world would be a infinitely more fair place! The fact is that certain occupations (food service the most common) rely on the quality of their service to ensure a good income. Subsequently, WE BEBEFIT. Good service, good tips. Bad service - no tips, change of career. It weeds out the poor service and ensures (well in a perfect world), that good service prevails. It would be WONDERFUL if the income of everyone would directly reflect the quality of service they provide. Maybe the quality of service in general would improve. SD |
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Juliana L Holm wrote in message ...
tina lekas miller wrote: hello out there, I am of the opinion that tipping practices in the US, at least my part of the US have gone overboard. what do you think of making employers jack up their employees pay (and the cost of their services) by whatever percentage say 15% and forbid tipping. No matter what I think (and I'd prefer that they add service to the prices and let me round up, like they do in Germany, to acknowledge good service) it is not going to happen. It can happen. We can at least try. I think we could use the initiative process. We need less than 400,000 signatures to get it on the ballot in California. |
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Hatunen wrote in message . ..
On 21 Oct 2003 13:28:11 GMT, Juliana L Holm wrote: tina lekas miller wrote: hello out there, I am of the opinion that tipping practices in the US, at least my part of the US have gone overboard. what do you think of making employers jack up their employees pay (and the cost of their services) by whatever percentage say 15% and forbid tipping. No matter what I think (and I'd prefer that they add service to the prices and let me round up, like they do in Germany, to acknowledge good service) it is not going to happen. I generally prefer the European practice myself, but the probability of getting the American restaurants and waiters to change is between slim and none so it's mostly ****ing upwind. I don't think the restaurants and the waiters would ever volunteer for it. It is not in their interest. Restaurants would feel that they were paying more and waiters might indeed be making less depending on the situation. Those who are accustomed to an income that is significantlly higher would migrate to other positions. I'm not sure how this works in Europe but every waiter I saw was an adult male who seemed like this was his profession so I am assuming they make a decent amount of money with the service charge, no tipping necessary model. It would need to be basically a law. Restaurants would pay at least the minimum wage and in lieu of tips there would be either a service charge included in the meal (no more than 15%) or the prices would individually increase. ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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In article , tina lekas
miller writes The tip has turned into a huge subsidy of the individuals pay, not a little something extra for excellent service. It has also turned into a veiled threat like if you don't tip an amount the tippee thinks is good their will be no service next time. I just think it should be handled like other wage earning positions # It is so good to read such sensible posts. -- Marie Lewis |
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In article , tina lekas
miller writes I don't think the restaurants and the waiters would ever volunteer for it. It is not in their interest. Exactly. Restaurants would feel that they were paying more and waiters might indeed be making less depending on the situation. "Might" is the operative word, here. Those who are accustomed to an income that is significantlly higher would migrate to other positions. So? I'm not sure how this works in Europe but every waiter I saw was an adult male who seemed like this was his profession so I am assuming they make a decent amount of money with the service charge, no tipping necessary model. And, believe it or not, it works. -- Marie Lewis |
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In article , Me
writes Tipping for restaurant service will sooner fall by the wayside in the United States than we'll go to the Metric system. There are more important things to worry about. Of course there are. However, that does not mean the situation cannot change. Those who do not want to work for tips are free to get a job where tipping is not the norm. Those who do not want to tip are free not to use those services where tipping is the norm in the United States. What does that mean? That they are never to eat out? That way, everyone is happy. I doubt that very much. -- Marie Lewis |
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Lynn Guinni wrote:
That's about a nine percent increase for a meal but, if you read the other post, it would allow for a wage increase from $2 to $8. Who among us would protest? Who among us couldn't afford it? Who among us would even notice? Something doesn't add up. That's vague to excess. What is the "something that doesn't add up"? For one thing, you're assuming the waiter gets it all. No, I err'd. I shouldn't have mentioned tips at all as they're not relevant to what I was saying. Sorry for the confusion. My fault. I think most places share the tips with other workers, all of whom would get an increase. In any case, you can't have the employer not earning less, the waiter earning more, yet the diner pays only an 8% premium instead of 15%. In the example I gave, the employer would not have diminished earnings. Most restaurateurs make a living, little more, and cannot afford to have a lesser margin. The example I gave showed how the employer would break even with the 300% wage increase. The employer's other expenses, in my example, would not change. The reason for an increase of $1.20 per diner rather than $1 is for the employer's increased payroll expenses such as greater Social Security payments, etc. __________________________________________________ __________ A San Franciscan in (where else?) San Francisco http://geocities.com/dancefest/ http://geocities.com/iconoc/ ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/19098103 IClast at SFbay Net |
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