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Old June 15th, 2004, 06:43 AM
Miguel Cruz
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Gary L. Burnore wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote:
Jocab wrote:
What airport near San Francisco (say, max 50 miles) is easy for
national air journeys, meaning not many queues etc. Maybe Oakland?
Anything else? Thanks


The only thing you should worry about is there in the Bay Area you're
coming from/going to. The hassle of going to an inconveniently located
airport will outweigh anything that could possibly happen at the airport
itself.


It may be the 'only thing' YOU'd worry about but it certainly isn't
the only thing everyone worries about. Some people can't stand large
crowds, long lines (queues), etc and would gladly drive further to
avoid it.

You really should consider that using 'only' and 'anything'.


I'm going to stand by my statement. If someone would prefer to drive 90
minutes to avoid a 20-minute queue in the airport, then they are irrational.
This same irrationality is going to affect them time and time again
throughout life, and I'm not here to provide their coping mechanism; they'll
have to develop that on their own.

miguel
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Old June 15th, 2004, 06:45 AM
Miguel Cruz
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mimi wrote:
And is there public transportation to San Francisco from San Jose airport?


Sort of. You can take CalTrain to the SJ light rail and then take a shuttle
bus to the airport (possibly there is a superior alternative involving more
bus and less rail). I sure wouldn't bother.

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Old June 15th, 2004, 02:44 PM
Gary L. Burnore
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:43:09 GMT, Miguel Cruz wrote:

Gary L. Burnore wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote:
Jocab wrote:
What airport near San Francisco (say, max 50 miles) is easy for
national air journeys, meaning not many queues etc. Maybe Oakland?
Anything else? Thanks

The only thing you should worry about is there in the Bay Area you're
coming from/going to. The hassle of going to an inconveniently located
airport will outweigh anything that could possibly happen at the airport
itself.


It may be the 'only thing' YOU'd worry about but it certainly isn't
the only thing everyone worries about. Some people can't stand large
crowds, long lines (queues), etc and would gladly drive further to
avoid it.

You really should consider that using 'only' and 'anything'.


I'm going to stand by my statement.


Which is not at all surprising, given your other posts.

If someone would prefer to drive 90
minutes to avoid a 20-minute queue in the airport, then they are irrational.


It's not 90. Hasn't been for years. That said, some people would
drive for THREE hours to ovoid a 20 minute queue. It's irrational to
you because your view is too narrow. The point is, your use of
absolutes is misplaced.

For instance, it would be unfair to say 'All people named Miguel Cruz
are assholes and anything they say should be discarded'.

It would be fair to say that you, Miguel Cruz, are an asshole and just
about anything you say should be discarded.

See the difference? Bet not.

This same irrationality is going to affect them time and time again
throughout life, and I'm not here to provide their coping mechanism;


So then why answer?

they'll have to develop that on their own.


So you're a jerk too. Noted.
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Old June 15th, 2004, 02:47 PM
Gary L. Burnore
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Default "Easy" SF Bay Area airport

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:20:20 GMT, "mimi" wrote:


"Gary L. Burnore" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:04:00 -0700, "Matt"
wrote:


"Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
...
Jocab wrote:
What airport near San Francisco (say, max 50 miles) is easy for
national air journeys, meaning not many queues etc. Maybe Oakland?
Anything else? Thanks

The only thing you should worry about is there in the Bay Area you're
coming
from/going to. The hassle of going to an inconveniently located airport
will
outweigh anything that could possibly happen at the airport itself.

If you're in downtown SF, it's marginally faster to get to SFO (San
Francisco International) than OAK (Oakland), even though Oakland is
closer.
This is because BART goes directly to SFO but you need a shuttle bus to
get
to OAK. Or, if you're driving, it's because bridge traffic is often a
pain.
But in this particular case the difference in travel time/hassle is

small
enough that I'd let price or schedule be the determining factor.



Don't forget about the weather problems that sometimes are a problem at

SFO.
A little bit of bad fog and SFO is a mess. I personally would prefer to

fly
into Oakland any day over SFO, although now that Oakland has move their
rental cars so far away from the terminal, that might not be quite so

true
anymore.

There is also San Jose, but that's probably too far.


It's less than 60 minutes from there to downtown SF on a bad day. Not
only is it easier to get to the South Bay area, it's a MUCH more
comfortable ride to the capital or Santa Cruz.

In any case, the point is, it's more comfortable. If the original
poster replies, chances are he'll say the comfort outweighs the
distance or the minimal amount of time you might get lucky enough to
save.


Well, the last couple times I've been there, San Joser airport's been pretty
crowded. Have they finished the construction?


Most of the stuff that bugs people who don't care about the drive.
Someone else mentioned one runway closed but the last time I went, it
didn't seem to matter.

Also, flying Alaska, there was no jet way. You walk down the stairs to the tarmac and into the terminal.


United used to be that way too.

And is there public transportation to San Francisco from San Jose airport?


Yeah, CalTrain. It's like I said. If you don't like lots of people,
it's better than Oakland and FAR better than SFO. If you don't care
about crouds and you're only looking to go to downtown SF, then SFO is
the best choice because there's immediate access to mass transit.
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Old June 15th, 2004, 03:45 PM
Miguel Cruz
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Gary L. Burnore wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote:
If someone would prefer to drive 90 minutes to avoid a 20-minute queue in
the airport, then they are irrational.


It's not 90. Hasn't been for years.


How long does it take you to drive from Berkeley to SJC at 8am?

That said, some people would drive for THREE hours to ovoid a 20 minute
queue. It's irrational to you because your view is too narrow.


It's irrational to me because it makes no sense. If you have a contrary
argument that would be interesting; if you just want to toss around insults
I guess we can stop it here.

miguel
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Old June 15th, 2004, 04:04 PM
Gary L. Burnore
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:45:38 GMT, Miguel Cruz wrote:

Gary L. Burnore wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote:
If someone would prefer to drive 90 minutes to avoid a 20-minute queue in
the airport, then they are irrational.


It's not 90. Hasn't been for years.


How long does it take you to drive from Berkeley to SJC at 8am?


Dip****, Berkeley is on the other side of the bay from San Francisco.
You've not been reading, have you? Even then, the requestor wasn't
specifying a time of travel. YOU need to because you're losing the
argument.

Oh, and to answer your question, likely the same amount of time it'd
take to drive from SFO to Berkeley at the same hour.


  #27  
Old June 15th, 2004, 04:34 PM
Vitaly Shmatikov
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Default "Easy" SF Bay Area airport

In article ,
Gary L. Burnore wrote:

How long does it take you to drive from Berkeley to SJC at 8am?


Oh, and to answer your question, likely the same amount of time it'd
take to drive from SFO to Berkeley at the same hour.

^^^^^
You meant ``walk from SFO to Berkeley,'' right?

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Old June 15th, 2004, 04:58 PM
John R. Levine
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Default "Easy" SF Bay Area airport

And is there public transportation to San Francisco from San Jose airport?

Sort of. You can take CalTrain to the SJ light rail and then take a shuttle
bus to the airport (possibly there is a superior alternative involving more
bus and less rail). I sure wouldn't bother.


Take the same bus, the VTA #10 airport flyer, in the other direction
from the airport directly to the Santa Clara train station. The bus
stops every 15 minutes at terminal A and takes 20 minutes to get to
the train station.

You can take any of several door-to-door shuttle vans to San Francisco
for about $70, or you can take the Airporter bus to SFO for $15 and
take BART from there.

I agree that it's all rather slow ways to get to San Francisco and I
wouldn't bother either. I'm flying into SFO tomorrow and I'll take
BART.








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Old June 16th, 2004, 04:11 AM
eric h
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Default "Easy" SF Bay Area airport

In article ,
Gary L. Burnore wrote:

It's less than 60 minutes from there to downtown SF on a bad day.


90 min on Caltrain on weekends, plus a 10 minute bus ride, plus about a 10
minute wait for the bus, plus however long it takes to get from wherever
you're staying in SF to the Caltrain terminal. With BART making the trip
to SFO much more convenient, I don't really consider SJC unless it's a
signficantly cheaper flight, like $50 cheaper.

OAK isn't a bad connection, but the shuttle bus is an annoyance and you
gotta have exact change for it, which is even more annoying.
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