Pre-flight announcement needs to include passenger intervention

Fly Guy writes:

An announcement telling passengers that it's
their responsibility to observe and take action against others will (in
the minds of the terrorists and planners) reduce the window of
opportunity to perform a successful detonation.

It will also cause innocent people to be hurt by vigilantes, and this will
happen more often than terrorists will be caught.

Remember, security screening is not so much to detect dangerous objects
and materials as it is to simply project the capability to do so, in an
effort to keep terrorists with those items from getting in line in the
first place.

Security screen is a waste of time. Behavioral profiling works a lot better.

Look at the step that requires you to present your ticket and ID to a
security agent when you enter the screening line. Do you know the
purpose of that step? It's to FORCE you to interact with a security
official so he can test your reaction to the encounter and to try to
evoke a stress response from you. Sometimes this encounter is forced a
second time at the screening arch.

No, it's not. When you want to profile people, you don't do it in a standard
way with standard questions. Real profilers talk with you long before you get
to the security checkpoint, and they ask things that may have nothing to do
with your ticket or baggage.

That is absolutely true. But as I say, security screening is mostly an
excercise of mental gamesmanship against would-be terrorists ...

No, it is pure theater designed to create the illusion of security and pave
the way for curtailment of civil liberties.

... adding a passenger announcement authorizing
surveilence and intervention.

Lynch mobs, in other words. I think it would be safer to take one's chances
without the vigilantes.

The average person has no clue as to whether another person is dangerous or
not, and knows nothing about law or civil rights, and has no training in
dealing with dangerous people. Encouraging such a person to intervene is a
recipe for disaster.

In message William Black
was claimed to have wrote:

DevilsPGD wrote:

Really I'm more surprised this hasn't happened before, at the moment
screening is really aimed at looking for metal and water, not
explosives.

Actually it's looking for liquids in quantities necessary to make the
amount of 'binary' explosive necessary to destroy an aircraft, along
with any metal weapons...

Sure, except for the fact that you can take as much liquid through as
you want if you label it "saline" or if you bring it through in small
quantities and combine it in a permitted large empty bottle.

You'd still get the old 'CIA knife' past any check-in and security desk...

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In article , Fly Guy wrote:

The moozlem idiots need to start leaving planes alone. They need to get
a clue that it's not working. And do it before air travel becomes an
absolute pain in the ass for everyone (pun intended).

The latter has been the case for almost a decade. Now it's going to get
worse.

Problem is - how do you punish someone who is suicidal ? When the Japanese
begat kamikaze Truman realized - you can't fight a conventional war with
people that actually WANT to die. The rest is history. You want to TRY to
stop it ? Then DO something to the bad guys. I think we ought to really
think about that to come up with some very "not nice" options.... how about
we kill all of their relatives and throw them into pig sties ? No this is
not nice: I'm not trying to be.
But if we are not at war with a country - just the bad guys - then TREAT
THEM LIKE BAD GUYS. It doesn't have to be in the NY Times, it could just
happen and no one ( except the bad guys) need to know.

The media lets them off easy : don't call them "suicide bombers" which
sounds like a title, do some homework and (for Muslim bad guys) give them a
Muslim name that is a disgrace. Don't publicize that so-and-so group takes
credit for killing the 50 civilians. That just encourages them to "get
their name in lights". I don't need to know that the fifth division is
right now crossing into 'some town' - inform me after they've killed all the
bad guys in that town. Don't tell the bad guys that they're coming - so they
can set up bombs. Think about this: if the current technology existed for
the media during WW2, most of the world would be speaking German because
CNN, ABC etc would be on the front lines giving updates every 10 minutes "
the 4th platoon is now crossing the Danube under cover of darkness..." and
having seen what happened there, picture a few reporters on the ground in
Berlin showing the battle , innocent civilians getting shot, etc. NO it was
not right, nor was Hiroshima, but when you are at war with someone that is
"destined to take over the world" , it's - either their guys or your guys -
which do you choose?

In Iran, how about the 3 people that "crossed the line into Iran" - THEY
might get beheaded. And we're the bad guys ?? Sorry. I don't care WHY this
latest guy wanted to explode the plane over the US, nor do I care if he
doesn't get a trial. You wanna effect an outcome - play by their rules.

Their "leaders" have convinced them that they are dying for the greater good
: you need to convince them otherwise. BTW, how come the leaders don't lead
by example ?
Push that idea in the media for a while.

WW wrote:

Problem is - how do you punish someone who is suicidal ?
You want to TRY to stop it ? Then DO something to the bad guys.

When the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, one of the reasons was to
"take the fight to the enemy". The idea being that it's better to kill
those nut-jobs on foreign turf rather than try to keep them out of the
US.

Iraq and Afghanistan was supposed to be this big killing ground, where
young US soldiers could live out their video-game fantasies for real,
where you shoot first and ask questions later (or more likely - never).
This strategy has likely worked for many years. US troops have indeed
acted like magnets (or targets) for radical moozlems in Iraq and
Afghanistan, serving their purpose which was to make the radicals come
out of the woodwork around the world and head to those two countries to
try to kill americans. It comes at a price, but it's tolerable because
these are soldiers and their job is to kill or be killed.