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  #11  
Old February 4th, 2008, 04:03 PM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
William Black
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"-hh" wrote in message
...

In general, use good prevention techniques of tucking in pants legs,
putting protective stuff on clothing, etc, to minimize the actual
amount of skin in contact with DEET, and then plan your application
times to allign with times of higher exposure risk (dawn, dusk,
etc).

-----------------------------------------

If all you're doing is sitting on a beach then fine.

If you are on a city break then walking about with your pant tucked into
your socks may just cause some hilarity.


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

  #12  
Old February 4th, 2008, 05:43 PM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
John Kulp
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:44:53 -0800 (PST), -hh
wrote:

"William Black" wrote:

Malaria medication can have some nasty side-effects,
=A0especially if taken for longer than eight weeks or so.


Plus they each have their trade-offs. FWIW, one of them (I forget
which: its the one that is one pill per week) has a side effect
warning of "vivid dreams" ... this is a polite way of saying
"nightmares". I've taken this stuff, and I found that my balance was
off on the day after taking it (got less bad over time).


In India I find that decent anti-insect discipline...
...and rub on DEET (about 30% works, =A0anything over 50%
irritates my skin) about an hour before dusk if going out of doors.


DEET is a known carcinogen, so it is wise to limit your exposure
instead of bathing in the stuff. This means to be aware of both how
many hours/day its on your skin, as well as the concentration level in
use.


Not in humans it hasn't though Alan has a medical condition so he
should see his doctor and discuss DEET and its particular use in his
case.
  #13  
Old February 4th, 2008, 06:17 PM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
Tashi
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during my travels in W. Africa I found that DEET 28% (muskol
pump-non-aerosol) worked best.. you should carry non-aerosol if possible, I
found out the hard way and had all my spray cans confiscated by the airport
authority..

also I found that a good citrus based lotion worked well also.. For most of
the trip, I used straight lemon rind, you just rub it on your skin... that
works great and you don't really smell. That is what most of the locals did.

There is no total prevention of Malaria.. you can still get it if you follow
what people say.. the pills however will make the symptoms more bearable.
(know this personally).. After your trip... if you feel sick like a flu or
cold, go to the doc asap and demand a test for Malaria..

If you are going to Egypt in Feb, Mar. the Malaria risk is low. same with
Jordan and the Yucatan (cancun or Mayan Riviera)

your major risk will be Thailand, Cambodia, Inda and maybe the Yucatan
(depending on where your going) If you are NOT back packing up country or
hanging out in the jungle sleeping in tents, your risk is lower.

If you are with a tour group, staying in resorts etc.. your risk is lower.

If you have immune problems, you should also take a cortisone cream with you
for other bug bites, I found this extremly useful when I got huge welts and
unidentifiable marks/rashes on my body and other topical skin conditions.


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tell me how much you have traveled.
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" A Mate" wrote in message
u...
Oops - I meant chloroquine resistant strains of malaria!!



" A Mate" wrote in message
u...
Doxycycline is the most efficient and reliable pharmaceutical malaria
prophylactic. Effective against chloroquine malarial strain etc. Cheap
too.

Some cautions.

If buying outside Australia - be sure it is within its expiry date (It
can become toxic, and cause liver damage if it very old). Some 3% of
users suffer enhanced sensitivity to sunburn when taking doxy - so use
extra sunscreen as a cautionary measure.

You take 1 x 100mg tablet daily, from 1 day before exposure to 4 weeks
after last exposure.

It's best taken at about the same time every day (I always take it with
breakfast), after food, or with food. Do not lie down for 30 minutes
after taking - as it can cause reflux with some people.

It is the anti-malarial of choice for the ADF; and recognised as very
effective by the CDC in Atlanta - but for some reason rarely prescribed
in the UK for this purpose.

Big Trip - must be a few 'looong' weeks.

Take Care.




"Alan S" wrote in message
...
Hi All

I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.

I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.

I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
countries if replenishment is needed.

I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
thoughts on that would also be appreciated.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
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latest: Slovenia







  #14  
Old February 4th, 2008, 07:14 PM posted to rec.travel.asia, rec.travel.latin-america, rec.travel.africa
-hh
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John Kulp wrote:
-hh wrote:

DEET is a known carcinogen...


Not in humans it hasn't ...


And it never will be tested appropriately in humans to prove it,
because that would be unethical medical research.


-hh
  #15  
Old February 5th, 2008, 12:05 AM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.africa
Thomas Endt
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"Alfred Molon" schrieb
The Autan they sell here in Germany blocks mosquitoes 100%.


To my experience in SE Asia: yes, correct.
Other travellers told me: doesn't work at all for me!

My experience: Koh Samed, maybe 4 years ago
Around 5:30PM I sprayed all bare skin with Autan, shortly after I went
outside, in front of the bungalow.
Moskitoes swirled all around me in large numbers (on Samed they eat you
alive at certain times of day!), but none of them actually sat down and
tried sucking my blood.

Maybe the travellers with negative experiences for Autan didn't apply
enough or left out some places on their skin... who knows.

Much, much
more efficient than what I have been able to find in south east Asia.


Well, "Sketolene" sold in Thailand does the job very well too. Comparable
to Autan IMHO.
IIRC it has about 15...20% DEET.

My experience is that with the Autan (sold in Germany) mosquitoes do
not sting me.


Maybe it's the same with Autan bought in other countries.
My bottle of Autan (bought in Germany) contains 20% of the active agent
(not DEET).


AFAIK the Autan agent was developed in comparison to DEET and it was said
that the new agent was even a bit (some %) more effective than DEET.


To summarize my experience:
Either Autan or DEET will do their job quite good.
Look out for high % of the active agent. A minimum of 15...20% should work
for you.
Spray generously. Better one pumping too much than one too little.
Spray each cm² of your uncovered skin. Whats not sprayed thats not
protected.

BTW: if you're outside, maybe bungalow in the evening: get Moskito Coils.
To my experience they work too.


cu, Thomas

  #16  
Old February 5th, 2008, 12:11 AM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
Liz Leyden
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In message
Alfred Molon wrote:

In article , Alan S says...

I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
countries if replenishment is needed.


The Autan they sell here in Germany blocks mosquitoes 100%. Much, much
more efficient than what I have been able to find in south east Asia. My
experience is that with the Autan (sold in Germany) mosquitoes do not
sting me.

That's true, provided that you cover every mm of your skin. However,
it's a bite repellant not an insect repellant as such. When we were in
Austria, that was the one everyone recommended. So we went to
Marchauen-Marchegg slathered in Autan. Right enough, we didn't get
bitten there, but every time we stopped, they got into our mouths,
behind our glasses, into our ears, generally swarmed around us all the
time. Meaning we had to frog-march the whole 7 km without seeing
anything at all. :-(

Slainte

Liz

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http://www.v-liz.com - Kenya; Tanzania; Namibia; India; Galapagos


  #17  
Old February 5th, 2008, 12:57 AM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
Alan S[_1_]
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:44:53 -0800 (PST), -hh
wrote:

DEET is a known carcinogen


Could you support that please? I'm not being smart; that's a
genuine request. I have CLL and hypogammaglobulinemia, so I
would appreciate any links you may have supporting that. I
did do some searching on Google Scholar
http://tinyurl.com/27nqgy
Medline
http://tinyurl.com/26pqe2
and Highwire
http://tinyurl.com/yvylwl
but found no clear support. There were some problems noticed
in rats, mice and dogs but no indication of human problems.

That is also one of the reasons I'm taking the dangers from
Mosquito bites in the tropics very seriously. But I'll still
travel:-)

I bought a tube of 80% Bushman's yesterday to try it. Rubbed
a tiny amount on my forearms. Possibly it's purely
coincidental that today I have gastro problems. Possibly
not.


Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia
  #18  
Old February 5th, 2008, 01:00 AM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
Alan S[_1_]
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:43:13 GMT,
(John Kulp) wrote:

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:44:53 -0800 (PST), -hh
wrote:

"William Black" wrote:

Malaria medication can have some nasty side-effects,
=A0especially if taken for longer than eight weeks or so.


Plus they each have their trade-offs. FWIW, one of them (I forget
which: its the one that is one pill per week) has a side effect
warning of "vivid dreams" ... this is a polite way of saying
"nightmares". I've taken this stuff, and I found that my balance was
off on the day after taking it (got less bad over time).


In India I find that decent anti-insect discipline...
...and rub on DEET (about 30% works, =A0anything over 50%
irritates my skin) about an hour before dusk if going out of doors.


DEET is a known carcinogen, so it is wise to limit your exposure
instead of bathing in the stuff. This means to be aware of both how
many hours/day its on your skin, as well as the concentration level in
use.


Not in humans it hasn't though Alan has a medical condition so he
should see his doctor and discuss DEET and its particular use in his
case.


Of course, particularly as my doc will be the one
prescribing malaria prophylaxis meds. However, I've found
that the collective knowledge of the net - for all my
ailments - often assists me in dealing with docs and
specialists.

So I appreciate all the input here. Thanks all.


Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia
  #19  
Old February 5th, 2008, 01:05 AM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
Alan S[_1_]
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Default Malaria and Mosquito Repellent

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:17:37 GMT, "Tashi"
wrote:

during my travels in W. Africa I found that DEET 28% (muskol
pump-non-aerosol) worked best.. you should carry non-aerosol if possible, I
found out the hard way and had all my spray cans confiscated by the airport
authority..

also I found that a good citrus based lotion worked well also.. For most of
the trip, I used straight lemon rind, you just rub it on your skin... that
works great and you don't really smell. That is what most of the locals did.

There is no total prevention of Malaria.. you can still get it if you follow
what people say.. the pills however will make the symptoms more bearable.
(know this personally).. After your trip... if you feel sick like a flu or
cold, go to the doc asap and demand a test for Malaria..

If you are going to Egypt in Feb, Mar.


Mar 25-Apr2

the Malaria risk is low. same with
Jordan


Mar 22-25

and the Yucatan (cancun or Mayan Riviera)

Apr 12-17

your major risk will be Thailand, Cambodia,


Mar 6-13

Inda


Mar 15-22

and maybe the Yucatan
(depending on where your going) If you are NOT back packing up country or
hanging out in the jungle sleeping in tents, your risk is lower.

I'll be 61 mate, my tent days are behind me; three star at
least:-)

If you are with a tour group, staying in resorts etc.. your risk is lower.

Nope, travelling alone or with a guide apart from the Nile
Cruise in Egypt.

If you have immune problems, you should also take a cortisone cream with you
for other bug bites, I found this extremly useful when I got huge welts and
unidentifiable marks/rashes on my body and other topical skin conditions.


Thanks, hadn't thought of that. I'll check it out.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia
  #20  
Old February 5th, 2008, 02:11 AM posted to rec.travel.asia,rec.travel.latin-america,rec.travel.africa
John Kulp
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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:57:12 +1100, Alan S wrote:

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:44:53 -0800 (PST), -hh
wrote:

DEET is a known carcinogen


It's not in humans. The US military uses it routinely and would
certainly know if it was. You still should check it out with your
doctor, though, given your conditions in case it interacts with
medicine you're taking.


Could you support that please? I'm not being smart; that's a
genuine request. I have CLL and hypogammaglobulinemia, so I
would appreciate any links you may have supporting that. I
did do some searching on Google Scholar
http://tinyurl.com/27nqgy
Medline
http://tinyurl.com/26pqe2
and Highwire
http://tinyurl.com/yvylwl
but found no clear support. There were some problems noticed
in rats, mice and dogs but no indication of human problems.

That is also one of the reasons I'm taking the dangers from
Mosquito bites in the tropics very seriously. But I'll still
travel:-)

I bought a tube of 80% Bushman's yesterday to try it. Rubbed
a tiny amount on my forearms. Possibly it's purely
coincidental that today I have gastro problems. Possibly
not.


Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia


 




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