How to pack light, some tips

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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sharx35 wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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Markku Grönroos wrote:
"Chris Blunt" kirjoitti
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, Markku Grönroos
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"Spehro Pefhany" kirjoitti
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I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the
free
stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not
having
a mobile phone seems silly.

Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't
need
one.

I find a phone to keep in touch with people even more useful
when
I'm
traveling than it is at home. It also serves as a camera, an
alarm
clock, a GPS, and a way to check my emails. Something so
compact
that
does all that and only weighs around 100g easily justifies
being
taken along on any trips I make.

Fortunately I don't have to be available for other people at
work
by
phone. Actually I seldom carry a phone when I am out of home.
When
I
am back I just check the calls. If wandering in wilderness, a
phone
may be a good piece in security terms, but on the other hand I
have
never went deep in to wild vistas all my own.

If you're going "deep in to wild vistas" the cell phone usually
won't
work anyway. Taking a day hike in Connecticut it's nice to have
in
case you slip and break your leg, but coverage when you're away
from
areas of high population density starts to get spotty.

And what are the odds about breaking your leg on a hike in
Connecticut and someone NOT coming along with seconds?

If it happens on a Monday you may lie there for a week.

I've hiked
all over the Canadian Rockies WITHOUT breaking my leg and WITHOUT
a
cell phone OR a GPS unit. Never got lost. Never got injured. You
pansies are a bunch of nervous Nellies who can't get off the
electronic teat.

Anybody who thinks "it can't happen to me because it hasn't
happened
to me" doesn't have a firm grasp on reality.

And the fact that you call people who make choices different from
yours "pansies" and "nervous Nellies" tells me that you are
insecure
in your own choices and find it necessary to bolster your own
pitiful
ego by demeaning others.

Ah, but it is YOU who is doing the demeaning, telling us that it is
YOU who is insecure, having to defend YOUR choices.

I'm not the one who started disparaging others.

A long time ago in a backpacking forum I recall having a similar
discussion, with someone whose attitude was much like yours telling us
that he'd never gotten injured and that if he did he would crawl a
hundred miles if he had to. About a year later he came back on with a
story. Seems that he had broken his leg a hundred miles from
civilization and discovered to his dismay that he was unable to crawl
up the cliff he went over. He considered himself very, very fortunate
that someone found him and he's never going out solo again without
some means of communication.


It's clear though that you need to GTFU. When you have, let me know
and I'll unplonk you.

Continue to suck at the teat of technology then. Do you even go offline when
you take a dump?



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"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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Chris Blunt wrote:

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In that case you would have absolutely no need for such a function
on
a mobile phone. Not everyone is in the lucky position of being so
independent of email.

Actually I find the email function quite useful. Before I go
grocery
shopping I email my shopping list to my cell phone. But I seldom
get
email from others that has any urgency.

What kind of BLOODY nutbar are you? Haven't you ever heard of TAKING
your grocery list WITH YOU, when you go shopping? Talk about
complicating the simple. Never heard of, "Keep it SIMPLE, STUPID"?

Why kill a tree for something that's going to get thrown away anyway?

SOME of us save junk mail, flyers, etc and use the blank side for such
purposes. It IS better to REUSE then recycle then to just recycle. ANd, by
the way, what about that coal or natural gas used to create the power needed
for your electronic communications?



And learn to trim your posts.

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"Magda" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:13:52 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "Rog'"
arranged some electrons, so they looked
like this:

... "William Black" wrote:
... "sharx35" wrote:
... Those guys who are saddled with "high maintenance" wives,
... take note.
... Define 'high maintenance' in this case please.
...
... Try lugging a 50lb. pullman up three flights of narrow stairs in
... a B&B in Bath, and you might have an idea of what it means,
... in this case. The phrase "heavy luggage" wife doesn't sound
... as classy. As much as I hate to admit it, Magda's comment
... about potential hernias hit close to home. :-/

Hernias must hurt much less than admitting that one is married to a
brat.

Yes, "brat" is one word that could be used to describe a
high-maintenance wife...someone who is demanding, thinks that SHE is
the Queen of Sheba etc etc. Other words would be, e.g. b***h, c**t. You
get the idea.

I understand now.

You're someone who doesn't understand what women want.

You do realise that the first man who wanders along with a box of
chocolates and a bunch of flowers will take her away...

Flowers and chocolates? Yeah, that will REALLY impress the chicks who are
trying to lose wait and avoid an allergic attack from the flowers.
Entitlement bitches want a LOT, LOT more than bonbons and posies. They
want the BIGGEST house, the most expensive car...et cetera on the block.
They want a fancier vacation than any of their friends.

Here is the news.

That's normal.

It's only normal in a community of shallow yuppies. That does NOT make it
acceptable behavior for MATURE adults with PROPER values.



--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

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"Magda" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:13:52 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "Rog'"
arranged some electrons, so they looked
like this:

... "William Black" wrote:
... "sharx35" wrote:
... Those guys who are saddled with "high maintenance" wives,
... take note.
... Define 'high maintenance' in this case please.
...
... Try lugging a 50lb. pullman up three flights of narrow stairs in
... a B&B in Bath, and you might have an idea of what it means,
... in this case. The phrase "heavy luggage" wife doesn't sound
... as classy. As much as I hate to admit it, Magda's comment
... about potential hernias hit close to home. :-/

Hernias must hurt much less than admitting that one is married to a
brat.

Yes, "brat" is one word that could be used to describe a
high-maintenance wife...someone who is demanding, thinks that SHE is
the Queen of Sheba etc etc. Other words would be, e.g. b***h, c**t. You
get the idea.

I understand now.

You're someone who doesn't understand what women want.

You do realise that the first man who wanders along with a box of
chocolates and a bunch of flowers will take her away...

Flowers and chocolates? Yeah, that will REALLY impress the chicks who are
trying to lose wait and avoid an allergic attack from the flowers.
Entitlement bitches want a LOT, LOT more than bonbons and posies. They
want the BIGGEST house, the most expensive car...et cetera on the block.
They want a fancier vacation than any of their friends.


And they want a man who can spell.

Marianne

Carping about my "wait versus weight" usage indicates that YOU are probably
an "entitlement, high-maintenance bitch".

I am late to this topic and haven't been able to read the huge
response list! Here's my take. I am a very frequent traveller and
have learned from many previous mistakes, dating from 1981.

We recently spent 4 weeks in Italy and Croatia and usually either with
familty or otherwise at 3* hotels. One apartment in Croatia. I did
not take a hair-drier and only missed it in Croatia because not
supplied in the apartment. Only 5 days, so managed.

I have found that (as a woman) I can get by with 3-4 interchangeable
outfits. Non-crush washable pants (3 pairs - one pair worn on all
long-haul flights and colour black). One pair of shorts, two pairs of
sox and a few pairs of knee-high nylon hosiery in neutral brown. I
took two skirts, one half-slip to wear with the skirts and 3-4
double-net uncrushable tops to wear with the skirts and pants, plus 2
all-cotton tops to co-ordinate. 3-4 pairs lightweight knickers and
2 bras (one black one white). A cake of stain-removing soap, the
minimum of cosmetics and costume jewellry (nothing expensive).

Two pairs of comfortable shoes (one pair to wear on the aircraft), one
medium weight long-sleeve sweater and a zip-up rainpfroof windcheater
of some sort and that's about it.

I got all of the above in a pull-along travel case that weighed about
17kg (sorry can't convert these days to imperial wejghts).

Travelling from New Zealand to Europe involves some long-haul flights
and comfort and warmth are important.

For women a good idea is to buy mini type incontrinence pads and use
these everty day. This means you will freqently get 2 days with the
knickers. If you need a soap substitute for showering, buy this at a
supermarket or pharmacy, take it with you nd throw out any unused at
the end.

And remember one important thing: no one is following you around
Europe (or wherever) with a camera and notebook writing down what you
are wearing. No one really gives a hoot.

Its easy to pack light - its really a matter of discipline. Try it
and you will love yourself for the effort.


The Golfer's Wife

On Aug 21, 8:35 pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
Chris Blunt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:46:22 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

Personally I've never gotten an email that _needed_ checking. If
someone really wants to get hold of me they can call and if they
want to get hold of me when I'm on vacation they can bloody well leave a
message and wait until I get home.

Yeah, like if you Mom dies or your kid gets sick. Why would you want
to be bothered for that?

I don't travel in order to place myself in some kind of self-imposed
isolation, and I usually have friends in places I travel to.

Turning off one's cell phone does not result in "self-imposed
isolation". Travellers had no trouble meeting their friends before
cell phones were invented.

Of course they did. Why do you think communication devices were
invented and became popular? Because they reduced the problems in
communication?

Now, was it *impossible* before? No. But it's easier now. Which means
problems were reduced.

And please do the world a favor and don't refer to yourself or any
other tourist as a "Traveller". It sounds like the Berkeley
Backpackers trying to pretend they're "special".

But when I'm with one of those friends
then I don't want the phone to interrupt the conversation.

Yes. Only one friend at a time. You wouldn't want to be bothered by
another friend wanting to meet up with you.

"William Black" wrote in message
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"Chris Blunt" wrote in message
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I have a life, and a very nice one too thank you. I wouldn't change it
for anything. I realise the kind of jobs some people have don't adapt
well to being done remotely, but try not to let your bitterness about
that show through in every post you make.

Chris [at a beach resort in S.E. Asia)

I'd have thought SE Asia would be a bit damp this time of year, I only
spend the winters in the tropics.

Well, you know what they say about mad dogs and Englishmen.... and the
midday sun.


Bill, [At the English seaside for the summer]

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Alan S" wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:49:29 GMT, "sharx35"
wrote:

What kind of BLOODY nutbar are you?

Something I've been wondering myself. About you.

Cheers, Alan, Australia


You've been out in the mid day sun too long, Alan.

The Golfer's Wife wrote in message
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I am late to this topic and haven't been able to read the huge
response list! Here's my take. I am a very frequent traveller and
have learned from many previous mistakes, dating from 1981.

We recently spent 4 weeks in Italy and Croatia and usually either with
familty or otherwise at 3* hotels. One apartment in Croatia. I did
not take a hair-drier and only missed it in Croatia because not
supplied in the apartment. Only 5 days, so managed.

I have found that (as a woman) I can get by with 3-4 interchangeable
outfits. Non-crush washable pants (3 pairs - one pair worn on all
long-haul flights and colour black). One pair of shorts, two pairs of
sox and a few pairs of knee-high nylon hosiery in neutral brown. I
took two skirts, one half-slip to wear with the skirts and 3-4
double-net uncrushable tops to wear with the skirts and pants, plus 2
all-cotton tops to co-ordinate. 3-4 pairs lightweight knickers and
2 bras (one black one white). A cake of stain-removing soap, the
minimum of cosmetics and costume jewellry (nothing expensive).

Two pairs of comfortable shoes (one pair to wear on the aircraft), one
medium weight long-sleeve sweater and a zip-up rainpfroof windcheater
of some sort and that's about it.

I got all of the above in a pull-along travel case that weighed about
17kg (sorry can't convert these days to imperial wejghts).

Travelling from New Zealand to Europe involves some long-haul flights
and comfort and warmth are important.

For women a good idea is to buy mini type incontrinence pads and use
these everty day. This means you will freqently get 2 days with the
knickers. If you need a soap substitute for showering, buy this at a
supermarket or pharmacy, take it with you nd throw out any unused at
the end.

And remember one important thing: no one is following you around
Europe (or wherever) with a camera and notebook writing down what you
are wearing. No one really gives a hoot.

Its easy to pack light - its really a matter of discipline. Try it
and you will love yourself for the effort.


The Golfer's Wife

Good, helpful post.

"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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On Aug 21, 8:35 pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
Chris Blunt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:46:22 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

Personally I've never gotten an email that _needed_ checking. If
someone really wants to get hold of me they can call and if they
want to get hold of me when I'm on vacation they can bloody well leave
a
message and wait until I get home.

Yeah, like if you Mom dies or your kid gets sick. Why would you want
to be bothered for that?

So what? No one is going to bring her back to life. Your kid's recovery will
have little to do with contacting you. The kid will get better..or
sicker...regardless. You might just as well enjoy MORE of your vacation
before it is interrupted by stuff you can't do anything about anyways.
Except worry, of course.




I don't travel in order to place myself in some kind of self-imposed
isolation, and I usually have friends in places I travel to.

Turning off one's cell phone does not result in "self-imposed
isolation". Travellers had no trouble meeting their friends before
cell phones were invented.

Of course they did. Why do you think communication devices were
invented and became popular? Because they reduced the problems in
communication?

Now, was it *impossible* before? No. But it's easier now. Which means
problems were reduced.

And please do the world a favor and don't refer to yourself or any
other tourist as a "Traveller". It sounds like the Berkeley
Backpackers trying to pretend they're "special".

But when I'm with one of those friends
then I don't want the phone to interrupt the conversation.

Yes. Only one friend at a time. You wouldn't want to be bothered by
another friend wanting to meet up with you.