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William Black wrote: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote: You can't actually get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate. You can't? Odd that you would claim that, because I did, in fact get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate - indeed, without any birth certificate at all. And how, exactly, did you get that? And what's the place of birth listed on it? It's dishonest to attempt to attribute to someone material that they didn't write. |
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On 7/04/10 23:27, in article ,
"William Black" wrote: You can't actually get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate. I guess now but I never had a valid birth certificate until I applied for French nationality, I was over 50 at that time. Prior to that I only had a hospital certificate of birth. The French refused this document and I had to hunt down my original in the Cook County office of records. In doing this I found that my family name was misspelled on the certificate! But the French accepted this, they wanted a document with a stamp on it, "minor" faults did not bother them. So somehow and I got my first US passport in the early 1960s supplying some documentation, but it was not as big a deal then as now. Since then it has been renewals which each renewed passport riding on the back of the previous ones like the earth riding the back of a turtle, who is riding on the back of another turtle, etc. all the way down. |
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On 8/04/10 0:52, in article ,
"William Black" wrote: Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously) wrote: You can't actually get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate. You can't? Odd that you would claim that, because I did, in fact get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate - indeed, without any birth certificate at all. And how, exactly, did you get that? And what's the place of birth listed on it? I checked the US government site on first passports and Certified birth certificate*issued by the city, county or state* Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth *Naturalization Certificate *Certificate of Citizenship I taken this to mean one of those? Thus if one has either a Naturalization Certificate or *Certificate of Citizenship that could be used in case a valid birth certificate is not available. In in the early 1960s I had NONE of the above, so the rules have changed. I noticed once coming across the border from Mexico into California the border people will ask you "where you were born" no real evidence required. I was tempted at times like that to say, using a fake Mexican accent, "Chicago, Senor" But that was in my imagination only. I have long found that the best thing with the immigration services is answer their questions without explanation using a minimal number of words. My wife, a former civil servant pushed me that direction by recounting stories of her interviews with those asking for unemployment insurance. Sometimes they would talk themselves into trouble. US INS sometimes looks at my passport and ovesea's address and asked "And what to you do Earl?" I hate people who don't know me using my first name, it is phony friendly. Anyway, to that question I just respond "retired". And SMILE, one is not American unless one smiles a lot. One thing for sure (and we were advised by the State Department) is to never show our French passports along with the American to INS officials. They can go bonkers. They don't know the law and think they do. One Syrian friend, having both US and Syrian passports accidentally displayed his Syrian at the US-Canadian frontier an the officious INS officer forced him to destroy "now" his Syrian. Nor do I go into passport display mode entering or leaving France. With the airline traveler interviews they also get officious and if you display your US passport leaving France they will get excited about your not having a visa. So out comes the French passport. However in passing passport control one never shows both. |
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From: William Black Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,soc.retireme nt,rec.tr avel.europe Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 22:27:16 +0100 Subject: Obama- the invisible student at Columbia University Jigsaw1695 wrote: On Apr 6, 9:16?am, abelard wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 06:43:39 -0700 (PDT), GLOBALIST wrote: I heard it from a very good source is that he only went to techincal school in Kenya, where they taught them to repair sewing machines. at last...someone claiming he can actually *do* something but where's your proof? Speaking of proof, where is Obama proof of his original birth certificate. Or his transcript? Or his passport? Well one assumes he has a US passport as he travelled abroad extensively on one before he became President. You can't actually get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate. So that solves the first one and the last one. What on earth is a 'transcript'? A 'transcript' is an American term, it is the record of one's college grades, which one sends on if one is transferring from one college or another, or which one may present to a potential employer. Donna Evleth -- William Black "Any number under six" The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat single handed with a quarterstaff. |
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From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to those who come after us. Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,soc.retirement,rec.travel .europe Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 23:06:17 +0000 Subject: Obama- the invisible student at Columbia University Om Nitron wrote: William Black wrote, On 04/07/2010 02:27 PM: You can't actually get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate. You can't? Odd that you would claim that, because I did, in fact get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate - indeed, without any birth certificate at all. That's nothing, Obama got one and he was born in Kenya. Please cite proof. No one else has been able to, so you would make the news if you can do it. Donna Evleth |
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Donna Evleth wrote:
From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to those who come after us. Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,soc.retirement,rec.travel .europe Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 23:06:17 +0000 Subject: Obama- the invisible student at Columbia University Om Nitron wrote: William Black wrote, On 04/07/2010 02:27 PM: You can't actually get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate. You can't? Odd that you would claim that, because I did, in fact get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate - indeed, without any birth certificate at all. That's nothing, Obama got one and he was born in Kenya. Please cite proof. No one else has been able to, so you would make the news if you can do it. Donna Evleth That was a Bill joke, Donna. |
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Donna Evleth wrote: From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to those who come after us. Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,soc.retirement,rec.travel .europe Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 23:06:17 +0000 Subject: Obama- the invisible student at Columbia University Om Nitron wrote: William Black wrote, On 04/07/2010 02:27 PM: You can't actually get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate. You can't? Odd that you would claim that, because I did, in fact get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate - indeed, without any birth certificate at all. That's nothing, Obama got one and he was born in Kenya. Please cite proof. No one else has been able to, so you would make the news if you can do it. Actually, he was born in space. All his life, he's been called "The October Surprise". |
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John Rennie wrote: Donna Evleth wrote: From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)" Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to those who come after us. Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,soc.retirement,rec.travel .europe Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 23:06:17 +0000 Subject: Obama- the invisible student at Columbia University Om Nitron wrote: William Black wrote, On 04/07/2010 02:27 PM: You can't actually get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate. You can't? Odd that you would claim that, because I did, in fact get a valid US passport without a valid birth certificate - indeed, without any birth certificate at all. That's nothing, Obama got one and he was born in Kenya. Please cite proof. No one else has been able to, so you would make the news if you can do it. That was a Bill joke, Donna. Within itself, simply restating the claim to prove the subpoint is at least potentially funny, especially if produced in deadpan enough manner, but this is actually part of a larger theme tying in George Bush Sr, the SR71 Blackbird, the Space Baby from "2001" and probably Henry Kissinger. It is a sustained parody of Liberal loons and their idiotic conspiracy theories which incorporates the idiotic Obama conspiracy theories of some on the right into those of the left and is ultimately intended to level the field. Both sides have their nutbugs. The following Wiki cite, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October...spiracy_theory , doesn't even begin to crack the fantasies about the supposed "October Surprise" events that Liberals have postulated online over the years, although it's worth reading as backgrounder. |
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