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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBCRadio)
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
In article , Dan Brusca
wrote: Wow, that's really blown my faith in politicians :P You had faith ? What about the BBC and your faith in them? We see yet another apology this week, this time for their editing of the interview with a Chief Constable: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...02/05/nbbc05.x ml&sSheet=/portal/2004/02/05/ixportal.html jay Fri Feb 06, 2004 |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
Shocking! A politician lying............hang on a minute they do
that for a living but are not supposed to get caught! It all stems from the fact that when honest politicians tell the truth, they get voted out of office. The truth sometimes hurts. Jimmy Carter can attest to what happens when you run a truthful political campaign. Carter's problem was not honesty, but being indecisive. And even his strongest supporters recognized that Carter lacked the ability to make decisions. He may one day be regarded as the most intelligent president of the 20th century. But he was also one in which making no decision was often considered a viable option. Circumstances which were unacceptable to the voters of 1980. The problem in Iraq may well be that even after all the dots were connected, these did not lead to the expected outcome. Consider that Saddam had used a particularly nasty nerve gas to kill several thousand Kurdish citizens, and that the research by Iraq in chemical and biological weapons was well known - even to the UN. And that lacking any such weapons, there would have been little reason to keep UN Inspectors out of the country for four years. And also note that the popular media plays up the WMD subject (and at least once every hour on NPR) but has little to say about the thousands of graves which have been unearthed. Or that the entire population in a number of towns were discovered to be exterminated. |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:35:32 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote: "nobody" wrote in message ... Stark Raven wrote: Sorry but it's the American people that history will look unkindly on. We were terrible, petulant followers during Carter's Presidency, unworthy of being led anywhere other than death valley. You forgot that Carter got Egypt and Israel to sign a real, long lasting peace agreement that has lasted to this day. That is quite an achievement considering that none of the other presidents were able to get anything real done. It has only cost American taxpayers $5 billion a year since 1979. How many billions will it cost per year to make Iraq a democracy if it it even possible? |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
john wrote in
: Now what country will Bush invade to SAVE the people of that nation from living under a terrible leader? North Korea? Zimbawe? Florida? :-) -- "I'm the master of low expectations." GWB, aboard Air Force One, 04Jun2003 |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
"john" wrote in message ... On 6 Feb 2004 13:17:10 -0800, (Jerry Johnson) wrote: Now what country will Bush invade to SAVE the people of that nation from living under a terrible leader? North Korea? Zimbawe? Maybe Tony Blair wasn't so sure (and for some reason couldn't be bothered to ask) about the real nature of the "imminent threat" of the 45min deployable WMD, but in the words of GWB: When we're talking about war, we're really talking about peace Almost every day is a new phase, in some ways, because we're reminding different countries which may be susceptible to al Qaeda, that you're either with us or against us. And so we're constantly working on bolstering confidence amongst some nations which may sometimes forget that either you're with us or you're with the terrorists. That's kind of a -- that's a phase, I guess you could say. Phase one was Afghanistan, phase two is to make sure that other countries don't become places for training or places where the al Qaeda think they can hide. -- press conference with President of Poland, White House, July 17, 2002 **** Saddam! we're taking him out. -- March 2002 (MARCH 2002!), in meeting with Senators and Condoleeza Rice (as reported in Time Magazine, Mar. 24, 2003) We're at war to keep the peace. -- White House, Mar. 13, 2002 Saddam Hussein is a threat to our nation. September the 11th changed the strategic thinking, at least, as far as I was concerned, for how to protect our country. My job is to protect the American people. It used to be that we could think that you could contain a person like Saddam Hussein, that oceans would protect us from his type of terror. September the 11th should say to the American people that we're now a battlefield, that weapons of mass destruction in the hands of a terrorist organization could be deployed here at home. -- prime time press conference, White House, Mar. 6, 2003 I described them [Iraq] as the axis of evil once. I described them as an enemy until proven otherwise. They obviously, you know, desire weapons of mass destruction. -- Ridgewood Country Club, Waco, Texas, Mar. 10, 2003 It's a war in which we will hunt down those who hate America, one person at a time. -- Washington, D.C., Mar. 4, 2003 We ended the rule of one of history's worst tyrants, and in so doing we not only freed the American people, we made our own people more secure. -- Crawford, Texas, May 3, 2003 The [military] academies are really important for a lot of reasons. Obviously, what you learn on the football field is even more important since we're still at war. -- Washington, D.C., May 16, 2003 We learned a lesson September the 11th, and that is, our nation is vulnerable to attack. The best way to secure America is to get the enemy before they get us, and that's what's happening in Iraq. -- Crawford, Texas, Aug. 8, 2003 It is important for the Iraqi leadership and Iraqi generals to clearly understand that if they take innocent life, if they destroy infrastructure, they will be held to account as war criminals. -- Washington, D.C., Feb. 25, 2003 America and our allies are called once again to defend the peace against an aggressive tyrant, and we accept this responsibility. -- Kennesaw, Georgia, Feb. 20, 2003 I think that we believe there are chemical weapons in Syria. -- Washington, D.C., Apr. 13, 2003 I had -- I was there on September 11th, 2001, at Offutt. I remember their motto. It says, 'The Sun Never Sets on the Fighting 55th.' And that's good for the defense of the country, by the way. -- Washington, D.C., Nov. 25, 2002 I want you to think about a scenario in which he becomes the arsenal and the training grounds for shadowy terrorists so that he can attack somebody he hates and not leave any fingerprints behind. -- St. Louis, Missouri, Nov. 4, 2002 This is a man who continues to murder his own people, a man who has gassed .... a man who has used chemical weapons on his neighbors, a man who has invaded two countries, a man which hates -- who hates America, a man who loves to link up with al Qaeda, a man who is a true threat to America, to Israel, to anybody in the neighborhood. -- Phoenix, Arizona, Sep. 28, 2002 [Saddam Hussein is] a man who invaded two countries twice -- two countries, once each time. -- Washington, D.C., Sep. 25, 2002 This is one of these kind of wars where things happen and you just don't know about it. But I bet we have hauled in over a couple of thousand of these people. -- South Bend, Indiana, Sep. 5, 2002 And speaking about hauling them in, the United States and our coalition and friends have pulled in over a couple of thousand of them. And there's another couple of thousand that weren't quite so lucky. -- Central Point, Oregon, Aug. 22, 2002 It's a different kind of war because we're fighting people who are -- they send youngsters to their suicidal deaths and they try to find a dark cave. They're kind of lurching around in the dark corners of some cities around the world. They're in over 60 countries. And slowly but surely, we're dismantling the terrorist network, which hates us because of what we love. See, they hate the fact that we love freedom. They can't stand the fact that in this country people can worship the almighty God any way he or she sees fit. -- Shreveport, Louisiana, Dec. 10, 2002 They hide in caves. See, this is a different kind of war. And part of my responsibilities as your President is to remind people about the realities that we face in America. One of the realities is, is that these people hide in caves. -- South Bend, Indiana, Sep. 5, 2002 They act out of hatred. We don't seek revenge. We seek justice out of love. -- Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Aug. 29, 2002 There's a lot of war talk these days, as there should be, but it's all aimed at making sure the world is peaceful. -- Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, July 18, 2002 You know, I was just reflecting the other day, we've only been at this for -- we've haven't even been fighting this war for a year yet. And we've got a lot of work to do. And there will be moments where the al Qaeda thinks that, you know, maybe America is not after them, and they'll feel safe and secure. And, you know, they think they'll kind of settle into some cave somewhere. -- White House, May 30, 2002 We're a peaceful nation and moving along just right and just kind of having a time, and all of a sudden, we get attacked and now we're at war, but we're at war to keep the peace. -- White House, Mar. 13, 2002 --- In pace, iustitia omnibus. |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
"Jarg" wrote in message news wrote in message ... You mean the truth according to Jimmy Carter? Putting aside the subjective nature of "truth", you are wrong that he lost because of his campaign. He lost because he was a terrible leader and inept to boot. History will not judge his presidency kindly. Well at least, Carter got a couple of things right, eventhough he couldn't always influence on or interfere in events, such as the cowardly national betrayal by Ronald Reagan during the Iran-hostages crisis... Carter was, and is, a well informed and opinionated man, who took a lot of positive, daring decisions and who was very well informed (he disposed over the intellectual skills required for the job) about world affairs - unlike later presidents such as Bill Clinton, who failed to see the warning signals on the deployment of nuclear capabilitiy (testing that is) by the Pakistani junta - which had just kicked out the democratically elected govt. in Pakistan - and George Bush, who turned coup-leader Musharaf into one of his top allies in his war for democracy and freedom, and in his quest to find Osama in his cave, as well as in the so-called 'war on terror' against terrorists, against people who hate freedom, against people who hate America or hate people who love freedom, and against anyone who is "not with us" - such as the countries of the so-called 'axis of evil'. Meanwhile of course, Dr. Kahn and his nuclear buddies in the pakistani military - not in the least Gen. Musharaf himself - have been the biggest perpetrators of WMD-proliferation in the history of mankind, exporting all kinds of nuclear and other WMD technology to countries like North-Korea. Apparently, the whole WMD proliferation issue was not about Iraq, as Saddam did not have any WMD, but instead the whole problem was with Pakistan, Bush's close ally in the war on terror, which has been exporting the stuff to "axis of evil" countries like Iran and N-Korea... So how is it that Carter was such a failure, and that W. Bush is such a success in the strive for a more human/humane/humanistic and peaceful world and in America's strive for "world peace", solidarity, 'compassion', freedom and prosperity ??? As far as I can see, GWB is nothing else than the wrong answer for the wrong questions. At least Jimmy Carter got the questions right. |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
"Oelewapper" wrote in message ... Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying on Iraq - on BBC radio: In this morning's "The Today Program" the MOD comes up with an explanation for the Secretary's lies yesterday: Original Interview (O5 FEB): http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/audio/geoffhoon.ram Clarification and exposure of the lies (O5 FEB): http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/li...n_20040205.ram MOD statement (pitty excuse) for the minister's shameless lies (O6 FEB): http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/li...d_20040206.ram The **** goes on,... as Tony Blair and his defence secretary keep sinking deeper away in it, and as their relentless lies are being constantly exposed and inquired upon. |
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