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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
On 18/03/2010 8:47 PM, Mxsmanic wrote:
Tom P writes: I guess you could extend this practice to other employment areas, like having restaurants where the waitresses pay for the privilege of working and rely on tips? It has already been done. Where? -- JohnT |
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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
Dear Threadreaders,
FairtradeinTourism is almost certainly a fake group, and was recently set up on Facebook (as well as recently having registered on multiple blogs) and currently is highly suspected of being a direct competitor of SANDEMANs NEW Europe determined to push a smear campaign out to the public. 1) Notice, that FairtradeinTourism has no website, no contact person, not a single person in their 'group' willing to say who they are. Highly suspect. 2) Even though the practices of SANDEMANs NEW Europe are the norm across Europe, FairtradeinToursim only attacks SANDEMANs and has never mentioned a single other provider or issue anywhere else. Also suspicious. 3) FairtadeinTourism has never once contacted SANDEMANs NEW Europe to open discussion about the situation and/or how to improve things in tourism, at SANDEMANs, or with the story from 2DF which has been clearly shown to be a lot of hot air. A German warrant has been issued already for FairtradeinTourism as a 'warrant against unknown', so any help in identifying who is behind FairtradeinTourism would be appreciated. He/She has been caught sending out emails making false claims to Travel Guide books to attempt to sully SANDEMANs NEW Europe, and signing with a fake name. I'd suggest anyone take FairtradeinTourism seriously: as the words of a direct competitor and how emotional and mean-spirited some elements of the tourism industry can be. Hopefully, it will stop soon, but really FairtradeinTourism is a symptom, not the problem. Maybe ProffessionalCompetitionInTourism would be a good next group to open. FairtradeinTourism, if you're reading this: why don't you tell the community who you are? It would go a long way to supporting your arguments. SANDEMANs NEW Europe |
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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
On 19 Mrz., 14:13, Per Hodgkinson
wrote: Dear Threadreaders, FairtradeinTourism is almost certainly a fake group, and was recently set up on Facebook (as well as recently having registered on multiple blogs) and currently is highly suspected of being a direct competitor of SANDEMANs NEW Europe determined to push a smear campaign out to the public. 1) Notice, that FairtradeinTourism has no website, no contact person, not a single person in their 'group' willing to say who they are. Highly suspect. 2) Even though the practices of SANDEMANs NEW Europe are the norm across Europe, FairtradeinToursim only attacks SANDEMANs and has never mentioned a single other provider or issue anywhere else. *Also suspicious. 3) FairtadeinTourism has never once contacted SANDEMANs NEW Europe to open discussion about the situation and/or how to improve things in tourism, at SANDEMANs, or with the story from 2DF which has been clearly shown to be a lot of hot air. A German warrant has been issued already for FairtradeinTourism as a 'warrant against unknown', so any help in identifying who is behind FairtradeinTourism would be appreciated. *He/She has been caught sending out emails making false claims to Travel Guide books to attempt to sully SANDEMANs NEW Europe, and signing with a fake name. I'd suggest anyone take FairtradeinTourism seriously: as the words of a direct competitor and how emotional and mean-spirited some elements of the tourism industry can be. *Hopefully, it will stop soon, but really FairtradeinTourism is a symptom, not the problem. *Maybe ProffessionalCompetitionInTourism would be a good next group to open. FairtradeinTourism, if you're reading this: why don't you tell the community who you are? *It would go a long way to supporting your arguments. SANDEMANs NEW Europe Hi Sandemans, Reading this all right. You've had our email address from the start, so you could have written to us at any time, but if you want to discuss here then fine. Who are we? A handful of guides who cannot compete with the free tours and are being driven out of business by them. So you could call us 'competitors' but we're not some company. We have no assets and no legal defence, hence our anonymity. None of those who have joined the group on facebook have anything to do with us. Same as the anonymity we suspect you have chosen for yourself in your postings on internet forums til now. FairTradeInTourism is no more fake than the various alias' we suspect senior Sandemans people have been posting under since the ZDF story broke. However, we welcome the fact that you are now coming out into the open. This group did not exist until the ZDF allegations made against Sandemans. Before the programme, we had just thought we were being crushed by fair competition. After the ZDF programme we mobilised, since the ZDF program accused Sandemans of exploitation and illegality. With respect to the 'smear campaign', Fair Trade In Tourism has been careful to do nothing more than repeat the allegations made by ZDF TV. You cannot have a smear campaign that consists of reporting the news. Fair Trade In Tourism denies ever having made allegations against Sandemans that were not previously made by ZDF, and sought only to get Sandemans to answer to ZDF's charges, which until yesterday, they had not - a long period of silence which is Sandeman's responsibilty, not ours. FTIT's only public and private postings have been in search of making people aware of the ZDF allegations and seeking answers and responses to the ZDF allegations, and never a smear campaign, since Sandemans was making no response. However, you suggest that you are now intending to seek legal redress against ZDF TV's allegations, and challenge their allegations in court. Fair Trade In Tourism has said since this story broke that only the courts will decide whether there is any merit to ZDF's allegations. Very well! Then ZDF can prove its allegations in court, or see them disproved there. FTIT seeks nothing more than this. Now that it is apparent that Sandemans officially denies the allegations made against it, and intends to seek legal redress against those who made those allegations -ZDF TV- Fair Trade will leave that process to run its course. Yes it will 'stop'. Fair Trade in Tourism will now indeed disband for good, and cease repeating ZDF's allegations on other sites, and let justice take its course. May the truth come out and the best side win. FTIT signing out |
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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
Per Hodgkinson writes:
A German warrant has been issued already for FairtradeinTourism as a 'warrant against unknown' ... Fortunately, Germany does not rule the world, irrespective of any illusions it may have to the contrary. He/She has been caught sending out emails making false claims to Travel Guide books to attempt to sully SANDEMANs NEW Europe, and signing with a fake name. What sorts of false claims? Are Sandeman's guides required to pay the company whether they receive tips or not? Are they forbidden to tell customers this? |
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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Per Hodgkinson writes: A German warrant has been issued already for FairtradeinTourism as a 'warrant against unknown' ... Fortunately, Germany does not rule the world, irrespective of any illusions it may have to the contrary. He/She has been caught sending out emails making false claims to Travel Guide books to attempt to sully SANDEMANs NEW Europe, and signing with a fake name. What sorts of false claims? Are Sandeman's guides required to pay the company whether they receive tips or not? The previous article said yes tim |
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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
Martin writes:
It is Per Hodgkinson and his associates who have issued a warrant in Germany and not the German government. So people in Germany can issue warrants without the state's participation? The situation is worse than I thought. |
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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
Martin writes:
If you read their defence to the accusations made by ZDF on their website, I think the answer is yes too. So what were the false claims? |
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