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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
So Chris Sandemans New Europe Tours are not actually "free"..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9jWhGn93hw News item in English (hope the link works) http://www.thelocal.de/jobs/20100311-25813.html further discussion: http://www.ricksteves.com/blog/index...ry&entryID=411 Keith Anderson, Geprüfter Stadtführer/Qualified Berlin Guide. (Verband der Berliner Statdtführer/Berlin Guide e.V.) |
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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
Keith Anderson wrote:
So Chris Sandemans New Europe Tours are not actually "free"..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9jWhGn93hw News item in English (hope the link works) http://www.thelocal.de/jobs/20100311-25813.html further discussion: http://www.ricksteves.com/blog/index...ry&entryID=411 Keith Anderson, Geprüfter Stadtführer/Qualified Berlin Guide. (Verband der Berliner Statdtführer/Berlin Guide e.V.) I guess you could extend this practice to other employment areas, like having restaurants where the waitresses pay for the privilege of working and rely on tips? |
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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
"Tom P" wrote in message ... Keith Anderson wrote: So Chris Sandemans New Europe Tours are not actually "free"..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9jWhGn93hw News item in English (hope the link works) http://www.thelocal.de/jobs/20100311-25813.html further discussion: http://www.ricksteves.com/blog/index...ry&entryID=411 Keith Anderson, Geprüfter Stadtführer/Qualified Berlin Guide. (Verband der Berliner Statdtführer/Berlin Guide e.V.) I guess you could extend this practice to other employment areas, like having restaurants where the waitresses pay for the privilege of working and rely on tips? Do they have those jobs in Germany -I know that they have some where the waitress gets paid a percentage of the food ordered (served), but that's not quite the same thing. tim |
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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
A reply (of sorts) to the program Keith has been posted in a press
release in New Europe's corporate site. It does not appear to answer the ZDF Frontal21 point about taking back tips from the guides when the tours are advertised as free. It does however make a big deal about competitors spreading the news of the program around Europe - well, they would wouldn't they! Could New Europe's guides come forward and tell us what is going on here please with the tips issue? Pleased to see this forum exists. smoothmyhackles n Mar 16, 5:48*pm, Keith Anderson wrote: So Chris Sandemans New EuropeToursare not actually "free"..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9jWhGn93hw News item in English (hope the link works) http://www.thelocal.de/jobs/20100311-25813.html further discussion: http://www.ricksteves.com/blog/index...ry&entryID=411 Keith Anderson, Geprüfter Stadtführer/Qualified Berlin Guide. (Verband der Berliner Statdtführer/Berlin Guide e.V.) |
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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
On Mar 18, 11:37*am, smoothmyhackles
wrote: A reply (of sorts)... Agreed, it's mostly talk, and doesn't really address the ZDF allegations at all, above all Sandemans New Europe guides earning pretty poor money. €19 for four hours work, with no benefits, like we saw on TV? As has been observed elsewhere, you could make more selling Strassenfeger / Big Issue. Or even owing Sandemans money for the doubtful pleasure of working for him! Tim Fairhurst of the ETOA (European Tour Operators Association) rushes to Sandeman's rescue. Who is Tim Fairhurst that he can defend wages and conditions like this? Does he think that is fair on these apparently badly exploited young people? Does the ETOA think it is OK to have employment contracts rated as 'crudely illegal' by a professor of law, or does the ETOA think it is fine for their members to play fast and lose with national laws? |
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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
This was just posted on the Rick Steves thread in answer to the
Sandemans Press Release: "SANDEMANs NEW Europe employs over 50 full-time staff members, who all receive a wage, holiday, health insurance, and social insurance. As is standard with tour operators and city tour companies across Germany and Europe, SANDEMANs NEW Europe maintains a freelance relationship with some tour guides." The biggest lie i have ever heard. But we're fired every 3 months, so no chance for social security. 12 secretarys in one year. Guides for just a season. Bad quality and just money- making. He lives on a different planet Posted by: extom - Mar 18, 2010 2:57 AM |
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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
Keith Anderson writes:
So Chris Sandemans New Europe Tours are not actually "free"..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9jWhGn93hw News item in English (hope the link works) http://www.thelocal.de/jobs/20100311-25813.html further discussion: http://www.ricksteves.com/blog/index...ry&entryID=411 Keith Anderson, Geprüfter Stadtführer/Qualified Berlin Guide. (Verband der Berliner Statdtführer/Berlin Guide e.V.) Some things are being left unsaid here. First, most cities and localities do not require licensing of tour guides; it is a logistic nightmare and does nothing but further impoverise guides by forcing them to pay more money to the state (in addition to sales taxes, income taxes, and other "contributions" that they must make as regular business people). Second, a great many "respectable" tour companies use a nearly identical business model: the tour leader actually pays the tour company for the "privilege" of leading the tour, and then makes his money from tips and from commissions on side trips and events that he sells to customers on the tour. The companies doing this are large, well-established, international tour companies, and their guides make a great deal of money in many cases, despite the fact that they are paying the tour company. I notice that the sources above don't actually provide the math, but 38 people times fifty cents net is 19 euro, and, depending on the length of the tour, this is not necessarily a bad wage. The only dishonest part of the "Free Tours" is that customers are not told that the guide has to pay money no matter what--at the better companies, customers aren't told this, either, but since they are _required_ to pay for the tour, the guide is guaranteed a minimum amount of money per person, and thus easily turns a profit. Many tour directors and guides also receive kickbacks from businesses to which they lead their clients. This is illegal, but it happens all the time, anyway. Overall, the legal details and ethical details are sometimes fuzzy, but it has worked this way for years. |
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"Free Tours" operator is outed in German TV news broadcast
Tom P writes:
I guess you could extend this practice to other employment areas, like having restaurants where the waitresses pay for the privilege of working and rely on tips? It has already been done. |
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