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European Resturant Food prices (was Sicily travelogue)
"Alfred Molon" wrote in message ... In article , tim..... says... Well, wife and kids cannot survive on just a breakfast and a dinner over a whole day. There must also be a lunch. Well yes. But not three courses, surely? You mean we should limit ourselves to just a dish of noodles and drink only water? No salad, soup, no dessert? No I'm not saying that you *should". You can chose to do what you like! I'm saying that surely you do. Do you really eat breakfast and two three course meals *every* day? And even if just you order a dish of meat with some potatoes, together with the "coperto" you are already close to 20 Euro (per person). Add a drink and you are at 20 Euro. There must be some choices for lunch other that this? No snack bars at tourist attractions, cafes on the beach, restaurants inside large shops in town, etc? tim |
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European Resturant Food prices (was Sicily travelogue)
In article , tim..... says...
Do you really eat breakfast and two three course meals *every* day? I think you are missing the point. It may be the case that you want to eat more than just a dish of noodles and want to drink something other than tap water. Doesn't have to be a three course meal, but you might want to order a soup or other appetiser, sometimes a salad, sometimes a dessert. All no problem if the restaurant is not expensive, but in average Sicilian restaurant once you order more than the absolute basic, things get expensive very quickly. And again, eating sandwiches or fast food every day, for lunch and dinner, is also not an option if you travel with kids. Kids shouldn't be given junk food twice per day. And yes, kids need three meals (breakfast, lunch and dinner) every day. -- Alfred Molon http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe |
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European Resturant Food prices
David Horne wrote:
Alfred Molon wrote: In article , Frank Hucklenbroich says... Seems like what you would pay in a city in Germany. Then again, even in a country like Germany prices can vary regionally. I live in Cologne, and restaurants here are rather expensive. When I once went to Kiel (northern coastal town), I was surprisend that food in Restaurants was about 25% cheaper than in Cologne. To make an example, here in Munich you can go to the PEP (Perlacher Einkaufszentrum) and eat for 4-7 Euro. You will get a dish with rice or noodles with meat and vegetables. That's a shopping mall. You will get similar prices in malls in the UK and US, but 'proper' restaurants are generally more expensive, as they are in Germany too. David Kiosk? Grocery store? -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad |
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European Resturant Food prices (was Sicily travelogue)
martin is just as interesting as donovan...
"Martin" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion : ... On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:15:45 +0100, Alfred Molon wrote: In article , tim..... says... Well, wife and kids cannot survive on just a breakfast and a dinner over a whole day. There must also be a lunch. Well yes. But not three courses, surely? You mean we should limit ourselves to just a dish of noodles and drink only water? No salad, soup, no dessert? Do you normally have a large breakfast, a three course hot lunch and three course dinner everyday, when you are at home? Just asking, not criticising in any way what you normally eat. And even if just you order a dish of meat with some potatoes, together with the "coperto" you are already close to 20 Euro (per person). Add a drink and you are at 20 Euro. How much does pasta with meat cost? Lasagne for example? Was the fish expensive in Sicily too? -- Martin in Zuid Holland |
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Martin wrote: On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:58:44 +0000, (David Horne) wrote: Alfred Molon wrote: In article , Frank Hucklenbroich says... Seems like what you would pay in a city in Germany. Then again, even in a country like Germany prices can vary regionally. I live in Cologne, and restaurants here are rather expensive. When I once went to Kiel (northern coastal town), I was surprisend that food in Restaurants was about 25% cheaper than in Cologne. To make an example, here in Munich you can go to the PEP (Perlacher Einkaufszentrum) and eat for 4-7 Euro. You will get a dish with rice or noodles with meat and vegetables. That's a shopping mall. You will get similar prices in malls in the UK and US, but 'proper' restaurants are generally more expensive, as they are in Germany too. UK probably has the cheapest meals available in restaurants in Europe, thanks to the chains that Mitchel and Butlers, Whitbread and similar own. Most UK supermarkets have a cafe/restaurant offering very cheap meals too, without them some OAPs would starve. OAPs? The takeaway industry seems to be huge in London. Not taking food to go but the prepared and packaged sandwiches, salads, Indian dishes, etc. |
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European Resturant Food prices (was Sicily travelogue)
Am 24.02.2013 15:19, schrieb Alfred Molon:
And again, eating sandwiches or fast food every day, for lunch and dinner, is also not an option if you travel with kids. Kids shouldn't be given junk food twice per day. And yes, kids need three meals (breakfast, lunch and dinner) every day. When we were travelling with our kids we usually had snacks (sandwiches, fruit, etc.) at lunch and the (only) hot meal in a restaurant in the evening. This was similar to our habits at home (but "switched"), were we have a hot meal at lunch and a cold supper in the evening. Not visiting a restaurant twice a day was not only a matter of not spending too much money, but more on not "wasting" previous time during the day, when we were on tour. -- Torsten Villnow |
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European Resturant Food prices (was Sicily travelogue)
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013, Alfred Molon wrote:
The other point is that local eating times are quite different from those in Northern Italy (and surely from those you are accustomed to). Difficult to find a snack-place at noon for lunch (more likely around 14), or a restaurant before 20 in the evening (more likely 21). Usually we do not eat so late (i.e. after 8-9pm). We have small kids who need to eat early in order to go sleeping early. But surely if you would travel to a place in another timezone, you would shift your eating times and adapt to the local ones. Consider e.g. Spain or Portugal (the latter is offset one timezone from MET, the former isn't but de facto it is concerning eating times). I guess noon or 7pm will be too early for lunch or dinner in Sicily, while they won't in northern Italy. EARLIER than that will be too early even here, but probably not in Holland or Norway. Personally when *I* was a kid and we travelled I got quickly adapted to eat at odd times to maximize sightseeing times (e.g. buying some take away food and eating on a train) more than placing my legs under a restaurant's table and wasting one-two hours. Surely more adaptable than my father was ! Said that, I'm surprised to hear of (generalized) high prices in Sicily although I won't be surprised to hear of high prices in northern or central Italy. Specially for places which advertise as "restaurants" and for the evening meal. In big cities there are places like "tavola calda" or "self service" ... follow the office clerks. Usually you can seat and have an (usually abundant) "piatto unico" (single dish) hot lunch. Could be pasta (with some meat or fish sauce) or some combo of meat and vegetables or fish and vegetables. Prices used to be reasonable in Sicily (more than in Milan). At least in Palermo I knew a couple of such places near Quattro Canti di Campagna (the "country" ones not the "city" ones, i.e. near Teatro Massimo). Also bars there often have an extremely good selection of pastries. In Palermo there was a bar advertising "sicilian and swiss pastry" ... you know the saying "Hell is Palermo without pastry shops (D.Maraini The Long Life of Marianna Ucria)". Concerning "cannoli" one has to be careful, according to the locals. The true filling should be made with ricotta (sort of cottage cheese), and therefore one should eat cannoli only in the fresh season, and possibly ask to have them filled at the moment. |
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European Resturant Food prices (was Sicily travelogue)
"Giovanni Drogo" wrote in message news:alpine.LSU.2.00.1302251021190.21025@cbfrvqba. ynzoengr.vans.vg... On Fri, 22 Feb 2013, Alfred Molon wrote: The other point is that local eating times are quite different from those in Northern Italy (and surely from those you are accustomed to). Difficult to find a snack-place at noon for lunch (more likely around 14), or a restaurant before 20 in the evening (more likely 21). Usually we do not eat so late (i.e. after 8-9pm). We have small kids who need to eat early in order to go sleeping early. But surely if you would travel to a place in another timezone, you would shift your eating times and adapt to the local ones. Not unless opening hours of "attractions' are similarly shifted. If, like me, you wish to visit a number of attractions before they close at 5pm each day you need to be knocking on the door of the first as soon as it opens. And if you are used to, for example eating a 7pm, going to bed at 11pm, to get up at 7:30am that works for a 9am start time. So you can't change to eating at 9pm going to bed at 1am to get up at 9:30am unless opening hours of attractions are shifted to 11am-7pm, which (mostly), they aren't! tim |
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European Resturant Food prices (was Sicily travelogue)
In article , Martin Theodor Ludwig
says... Could the difficulties to find (affordable) restaurants have been an effect of the season during Christmas and New Year, when "things" are not operating normally? That could indeed have played a role. We were there over Xmas and New year and there was a dearth of affordable places. Perhaps in summer, during the tourist season, more places are open. -- Alfred Molon http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe |
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