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Old January 20th, 2007, 03:03 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
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Be assured the quintessential Left Wing Whackos, the Evleths, will
still vote for her regardless.


Champagne Socialist
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Thu, 2007-01-18 17:39


A quote from The Daily Telegraph, 18 January 2007

Segolene Royal, the doyenne of the French left, suffered an
embarrassing blow to her image as a presidential candidate yesterday
when she was accused of tax dodging. Faced with taunts about being a
gauche caviar, the Gallic equivalent of a champagne socialist, she
denied being rich, instead claiming that she was just "well-off."
Not only does she have part ownership in three impressive homes with
her boyfriend, the Socialist Party chairman Francois Hollande, but the
two have set up a real estate company to manage the properties. This
has enabled them to reduce the amount that they pay in l'impot de
solidarité sur la fortune, or ISF, a high tax imposed on anyone with
assets of more than $985,000.


comments:


BWAHAHAHA!
Submitted by Amsterdamsky on Fri, 2007-01-19 08:30.

This is just like two weeks after she stated that wealthy Fwench should
set an examply by paying their taxes and not complaining.
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ya Gotta love it.
Submitted by longun45 on Fri, 2007-01-19 07:51.

When the really wealthy, throw the rich and sucessful workers under the
bus of taxation. Then drive the bus over them.

The worst part is they get away with it by shouting their disgust for
the rich.
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Royal
Submitted by Cogito on Fri, 2007-01-19 02:21.

That 's her name, Segolene Royal. Belonging to the same family as
Napoleon. Both four-legged pigs living in the farm.
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In this country.....
Submitted by oiznop on Thu, 2007-01-18 19:59.

.....Andre, they are called Democrats!......
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Segolène voted with her feet...;-)
Submitted by Bruno on Thu, 2007-01-18 19:30.

It's ironic to see that Segolène Royal and her companion Hollande
voted with their feet (sort of) for less tax pressure on well-off
people...
The SCI (Societé Civile Immobilière) that they set up to manage their
real estate belongings (several appartments and buildings) is the
typical thing to do in France to evade the punitive tax system. The SCI
is used as a sort of front company, allowing you not to be officially
traced as the owner of the appartments or buildings, thus avoiding the
heat of the tax.
Even if this scheme is totally legal (and even necessary in France
where the tax pressure has gone awry), it is of the utmost comic to see
socialists (and a president contender for this one !) doing this sort
of finacial acrobacy and thinking it would go unnoticed...
Her voters will not forget that, especially if they remember her recent
morality lessons about people who leave France to avoid the tax
pressure....;-)
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I especially like this quote....
Submitted by oiznop on Thu, 2007-01-18 19:27.

from the boyfriend....
Mr. Hollande last week risked alienating the middle classes even
further by proposing raising taxes on salaries above about $5,000 a
month. Last year, he famously told a television chat show audience: "I
do not like the rich."
"I do not like the rich"....????...yeah, unless it's yourself, huh, you
and your pampered girlfriend, elitist leftist swine!....
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Words of Wisdom:
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Thu, 2007-01-18 19:17.

"There is no such thing as a wealthy socialist."

The leaders of movements whose aims purport to be socio-economic equity
and the liberation or emancipation of the low class (approx. 80% of any
given population), are always elitist hypocrits themselves because:

1. These self-appointed leaders always have the wealth, standard of
living, and/or annual income of an upper middle-class or high class
individual
2. These people will not redistribute their income or live an
austere life in order to lead by example
3. These people will not advocate a socialist society unless they
are ensconced in the governing establishment or 'dictatorship of the
proletariat'
4. Essentially, wealthy socialists will not make personal
concessions even to achieve that which they hold as the ideal utopia
for everyone else

Furthermore, in a point that was echoed by Orwell, every revolution is
led by the middle class using the low to usurp the position of the
high; so long as the middle class is contented with the opportunity
allotted to it, the low will never rebel. After the Black Death in
medieval Europe, there were less people but more of them were educated,
the latter with little chance to succeed; this glut of educated
bourgeois' sons correlates directly with an increase in revolutionary
activity (so-called Peasants' Revolts).
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Further evidence that.....
Submitted by oiznop on Thu, 2007-01-18 19:10.

.....this notion of the Political Left being for the working class, the
oppressed, the minorities and the downtrodden is a load of BULL
SCHIZEN!!!...Always has been, and always will be...."Oh, huh huh huh
huh(uppity snobby, pu pu laughter)..I am just well off!..La di
da"...."And as a result, the country can't survive without us elitists
running things, cause we know what's best for your life!"....

A real estate company with her lover, setting up properties???....A
slum lord maybe???...Cashing in on the people she supposedly goes to
bat for????.....Or is it a profitable venture, catering to the upper
echelon, like herself???...Profits???...Sounds capitalistic to me..."I
don't have to pay taxes cauz I am an elitist. That for the little
people"...huh huh huh (again, uppity, snobbish pu pu
laughter)......LEFTISTS = HYPOCRISY!!!!!
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Old January 21st, 2007, 12:32 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
John of Aix
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PJ O'Donovan wrote:
» 8 comments | 1096 reads
Be assured the quintessential Left Wing Whackos, the Evleths, will
still vote for her regardless.


Champagne Socialist
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Thu, 2007-01-18 17:39


A quote from The Daily Telegraph, 18 January 2007

Segolene Royal, the doyenne of the French left,


'Doyenne' means the oldest person (in a group) in French and in English,
or, in French, the head of a University faculty.

suffered an
embarrassing blow to her image as a presidential candidate yesterday
when she was accused of tax dodging.


Was she, I can't say I noticed and I do read French newspapers every
day.

Faced with taunts about being a
gauche caviar, the Gallic equivalent of a champagne socialist, she
denied being rich, instead claiming that she was just "well-off."
Not only does she have part ownership in three impressive homes with
her boyfriend, the Socialist Party chairman Francois Hollande, but the
two have set up a real estate company to manage the properties.


She does not have what I would call particularly impressive homes and an
SCI (Société Civile Immobilière) is a fairly common form of ownership of
houses when the owners are not related or their marital situation could
cause difficulties for the other in the event of one half of the
partnership dying.

This
has enabled them to reduce the amount that they pay in l'impot de
solidarité sur la fortune, or ISF, a high tax imposed on anyone with
assets of more than $985,000.


No, it is imposed if ones TAXABLE assets are greater than 750,000 Euros
(I'll leave you to convert that to your monopoly money).

Do come back when you know what you are talking about.


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Old January 21st, 2007, 01:19 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,rec.travel.europe
Earl Evleth[_1_]
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On 21/01/07 12:32, in article ,
"John of Aix" wrote:

PJ O'Donovan wrote:
» 8 comments | 1096 reads
Be assured the quintessential Left Wing Whackos, the Evleths, will
still vote for her regardless.


Champagne Socialist
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Thu, 2007-01-18 17:39


A quote from The Daily Telegraph, 18 January 2007

Segolene Royal, the doyenne of the French left,


'Doyenne' means the oldest person (in a group) in French and in English,
or, in French, the head of a University faculty.


And there is no doyenne of the French left because of its heterogeneity.
And Arlette Laguiller is older in any case! And retired and collecting
her pension.

suffered an
embarrassing blow to her image as a presidential candidate yesterday
when she was accused of tax dodging.


Was she, I can't say I noticed and I do read French newspapers every
day.


She is currently leading in the polls, not by much and probably by a
statistically insignificant amount. We have a while to wait before
we can see which way the political winds are blowing.

She has one advantage over her opponent, Sarkozy. She is a woman
and women are naturally more "socialist" than men. French society
will not yield up its social protections to enter into the a system
of the false promises of hyperliberal capitalism, which have delivered
nothing to the working and middle class of America in several decades.
So she is better placed in this regard than Sarkozy who tries to play
it "pro-American" before the Americans but standard middle-right before
the French. The Sarkozy is two faced in that regard. Royal? She certainly
is not pro- or anti-American, the issue is not part of her political
baggage.

Years ago, we got tired of having men running the Conseil Syndical
ìn our building, they were constantly in dispute with one another,
their egos to involved to be occupied with the collective good
of our building. So we elected an all women Conseil, with my
wife at the head. France too needs a woman President, and Prime
Minister and not always the same old tired male ENARCs have governed
or missgoverned France for years. Right or left makes no real difference.
The French right has Michèle Alliot-Marie who would probably make
a better President than either Royal or Sarkozy. In the past
we had Simone Veil, who lead with here pushing through
the abortion law years ago, and freeing women from the tyranny of
men in France.
Faced with taunts about being a
gauche caviar, the Gallic equivalent of a champagne socialist, she
denied being rich, instead claiming that she was just "well-off."
Not only does she have part ownership in three impressive homes with
her boyfriend, the Socialist Party chairman Francois Hollande, but the
two have set up a real estate company to manage the properties.


She does not have what I would call particularly impressive homes and an
SCI (Société Civile Immobilière) is a fairly common form of ownership of
houses when the owners are not related or their marital situation could
cause difficulties for the other in the event of one half of the
partnership dying.

This
has enabled them to reduce the amount that they pay in l'impot de
solidarité sur la fortune, or ISF, a high tax imposed on anyone with
assets of more than $985,000.


No, it is imposed if ones TAXABLE assets are greater than 750,000 Euros
(I'll leave you to convert that to your monopoly money).


There are a lot of exclusions to that tax. Most French politicians
are not that rich but with the rise in real estate values, people
owning a 3-pieces in Paris will come close to reaching the level
of "wealth". They don't feel rich. Le Pen has a real fortune,
given to him (no earned) by somebody hypnotized by his right
wing politics. He is worth around 7-8 million euros.

The irony is that one could have several Van Goghs (art is not taxed,
nor antiques) but not be subject to the ISF. The very rich have
merely gone to Switzerland, Belgium or England. But neither
Sarkozy or Royal are worth that much. France is not the USA,
which has a lot over very rich people in Congress, in particular
the Senate. The French Assembly is not occupied by those
who represent the big moneyed interests of the nation. If anything,
the French population is in better control, democratically,
than the American population is in the USA. The real governance
is by the Assembly via the Prime Minister, the President plays
a strange and often secondary role




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Old January 21st, 2007, 01:44 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
Zubenelgenubi
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Why doesn't Segolène Royal marry her live in boyfriend. Does France
really want a head of state who sneers at the institution of marriage?
Besides marriage, what other institutions would Socialist- Communist
Segolène Royal deride? Religion? Private Property? How about freedom
of the press, freedom of assembly? The history of Socialism /Communism
says no to all of the above and kill those or imprison those who
disagree. The historical record is quite clear. Does France want a Hugo
Chavez type dicator? A Fidel Castro? How about a Kim Jong Il?

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Old January 21st, 2007, 03:46 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
John of Aix
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Zubenelgenubi wrote:
Why doesn't Segolène Royal marry her live in boyfriend.


That's her affair. Nobody gives a ****, this isnt the USA you know.
Does France
really want a head of state who sneers at the institution of marriage?


She doesn't.

Besides marriage, what other institutions would Socialist- Communist
Segolène Royal deride?


She doesn't deride marriage. Of course if you can supply a link that
shows that she does then I'll accept it of course.

But seriously, do you really think that anyone who derided marriage in a
society where it is still the norm would have a chance of being elected
president? It is simply that here marriage or not marriage, we don't
give a ****. This isn't the USA, we're civilised and free, everyone
makes their own life choice

Religion? Private Property? How about freedom
of the press, freedom of assembly? The history of Socialism /Communism
says no to all of the above and kill those or imprison those who
disagree. The historical record is quite clear. Does France want a
Hugo Chavez type dicator? A Fidel Castro? How about a Kim Jong Il?


Yes dear, now off you go out to play, the fresh air will do you good.


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Old January 21st, 2007, 03:48 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
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"John of Aix" kirjoitti
...

Bugger off from rte. The group is for discussion on travelling in Europe.

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Old January 21st, 2007, 05:00 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
Earl Evleth[_1_]
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On 21/01/07 15:46, in article ,
"John of Aix" wrote:

Yes dear, now off you go out to play, the fresh air will do you good.


Bravo, John. But this guy won't do it.

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Old January 21st, 2007, 08:40 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
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Default A Left Wing Whacko, ala Francais

In article ,
says...
PJ O'Donovan wrote:
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Do come back when you know what you are talking about.


Don't hold your breath - this _is_ peabrain you're referring to, after
all.



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Old January 21st, 2007, 08:42 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
Fred Bloggs
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In article . com,
says...

Does France want a Hugo Chavez type dicator?

The question you should be asking, Stephen Bach, is whether France wants
a petty criminal from the US sponging off its national generosity.

Tick, tock little piggy.
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Old January 22nd, 2007, 04:35 AM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
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Markku Grönroos wrote:


"John of Aix" kirjoitti
...

Bugger off from rte. The group is for discussion on travelling in Europe.


Alas it is Piggy that you should be complaining to.

He is the one who started including RTE.

 




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