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Travelocity/Princess Single Penalty
I mentioned the Celebrity single penalty. Here is one that
Travelocity and Princess have collaborated on. They are offering a $200 shipboard credit on select sailings. Here are some details. "...Single occupancy staterooms will only receive half of the applicable Onboard Credit amount and only one per stateroom may be applied..." "...Based on double occupancy or better. Single guests must pay 200% of the cruise fare to be eligible for this Offer..." I have to pay twice the fare but get only half the shipboard credit. It appears to me that the cruise lines really don't want singles on their ships. |
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Travelocity/Princess Single Penalty
Odysseus wrote: I mentioned the Celebrity single penalty. Here is one that Travelocity and Princess have collaborated on. They are offering a $200 shipboard credit on select sailings. Here are some details. That's a new one I've not heard before. I have to pay twice the fare but get only half the shipboard credit. It appears to me that the cruise lines really don't want singles on their ships. You got that PARTLY right, about the first part of the deal, about paying 200% when other ships typically charge 150% for singles not sharing a cabin with anyone. The DO want singles on their ships -- those singles who are DUMB enough to work out the flim flam -- the same ones who couldn't work out Ray's flim flam in his SPAMS. THis was just ONE of Ray's endorsement from a rtc reader: * Well, After reading all of the nasty things about Ray on * this board and not believing them a bit, I have to say that \ * he was very rude to me when I just called "Lighthouse travel" * to inquire about sailing on the NCL Dawn. He's "way too * busy " to help me unless I guarantee that I will book the * cruise with him. hmmmm... That's a perfect first-hand testimony about Ray using his "Hi Everyone, I received this press release ...", his "Lighthous Travel" sig as his SPAMMING props. He is simply sucking customers in for HIS agency. He couldn't careless about answering anyone's quesitons. He is "too busy" -- that's true. Too busy gathering SPAMMING props of press releases, too busy SPAMMING, and too busy stuffing clueless clients $$$ into his pocket! Ray is a one-man-band doing all those thing, so others in the group said. -- Bob. |
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Travelocity/Princess Single Penalty
In article weyJf.783151$_o.98450@attbi_s71, Odysseus wrote:
I mentioned the Celebrity single penalty. Here is one that Travelocity and Princess have collaborated on. They are offering a $200 shipboard credit on select sailings. Here are some details. "...Single occupancy staterooms will only receive half of the applicable Onboard Credit amount and only one per stateroom may be applied..." "...Based on double occupancy or better. Single guests must pay 200% of the cruise fare to be eligible for this Offer..." I have to pay twice the fare but get only half the shipboard credit. It appears to me that the cruise lines really don't want singles on their ships. Princess had 160% supplements on a few different cabin categories. Is this just a strange one, or is this the wave of Princess' future? |
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Travelocity/Princess Single Penalty
The cruise lines claim to lose $$ on single cruisers even at a 200%
supplement. A single cruiser will only pay for one shore excursion at a time, will typically drink for one, take one spa treatment at a time, etc. The cost savings on the food is unmeasurable. They make money on all the optional expenses and a single cruiser only typically spends 50% of the norm. |
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Travelocity/Princess Single Penalty
In article .com,
"AWB" wrote: The cruise lines claim to lose $$ on single cruisers even at a 200% supplement. A single cruiser will only pay for one shore excursion at a time, will typically drink for one, take one spa treatment at a time, etc. The cost savings on the food is unmeasurable. They make money on all the optional expenses and a single cruiser only typically spends 50% of the norm. I know that is what they claim, but that claim is only valid if the ship sails completely full. That is almost never the case, especially in the Caribbean. A single in a cabin may mean less profit than 2 to a cabin, but it sure represents a whole lot more profit than zero in a cabin. And if that were really true, then how come many of the really upscale lines have very low supplements or none at all? Heck, even HAL had 125%, maybe they still do. There are some that say the bean counters are in charge, well if they are, they aren't very good bean counters. Good ones would be working to fill all those empty cabins in some way. And I know that some lines claim that they are full when it isn't the case at all. I remember Golden Princes having signs out about being full, yet during the week it became apparent that wasn't the case at all. Lots of balcony cabins were empty, or if you are gullible, lots of people paid for a balcony cabin and never went on the balcony! For the price some of the consumer lines want for a sailing for a solo, you can go on a much more upscale line. I just had an emailing about a longer cruise on one of them and the perdiem was less than $250/day which included practically everything, and certainly things that the consumer lines charge extra for. These days I don't look at the supplement, I just look at what it is going to cost me. If it is more than what I consider a fair rate, then I'm not going. That rate is adjusted by what line and what amenities are included in the total cost. |
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Travelocity/Princess Single Penalty
Interestingly, cruise ships DID have singles' cabins, once upon a time. I've
seen them. I knew someone who was in an outside single on the old PacPrin, and it was VERY nice and quite likely worth whatever it was that he paid for it. There was a seating area and the bed was behind a curtain. I've also been in a cabin that while it DID have an upper which could be folded down, there wasn't enough floor space for two people. I'm guessing that it was supposed to be for the "personal attendant" to the MUCH larger cabin across the hall. That was on the Sun Deck of the Regal Empress. The thing is that it IS possible to build ships with a few decent cabins intended for singles, with less floor space, maybe three where there would be two doubles? and that they could easily be sold for a fare that would make sense to all involved. But for whatever reason cruise lines don't do this, and AFAIK they've stopped arranging shares. (I cruised with Carnival twice because they would do that, they won't, now I won't.) I suspect that, contrary to what "they" say, a single who would travel alone under those circumstances might very likely avail themselves of more than their "share" of onboard services, i.e. generating a good amount of onboard revenue. Just my opinion of course. Marsha "Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message ... So basically Princess is telling the single/solo traveler to buzz off? I mean, the supplement is pretty much BS to start with 'cause there is almost always empty cabins on every cruise, regardless of the signs at the ports and now they want to jack it UP? For me, it is simple. I have a travel budget for each year and unlimited time to spend it. I will choose those travel sites, cruise lines and other vacation type items that want me there. Looks like Princess comes off my list as has Celebrity (much as I like them). There are just way too many cruise ships and lines and deals are out there when you are flexible, and I am literally free to be just as flexible as I want to be these days. I have put a cap on what I think a cruise is worth on a daily basis, and for the regular lines, it sure isn't $200/day+!! |
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Travelocity/Princess Single Penalty
Funny... I've always looked at it that way... numbers can be manipulated in
SO many ways... the ONLY thing I look at is that bottom line. What's the per diem? what's it going to cost me to get to my vacation destination? And the biggy, what's it worth to me? Marsha "Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message ... These days I don't look at the supplement, I just look at what it is going to cost me. If it is more than what I consider a fair rate, then I'm not going. That rate is adjusted by what line and what amenities are included in the total cost. |
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Travelocity/Princess Single Penalty
I suspect that, contrary to what "they" say, a single who would travel alone
under those circumstances might very likely avail themselves of more than their "share" of onboard services, i.e. generating a good amount of onboard revenue. Just my opinion of course. I have cruised both solo and with a friend. As a solo traveler, the ship has all of my time. Since I don't have to divide my affections between a person and the ship, I am more likely to spend time in the spa and to gamble. If I am sailing with another person, we generally hire our own tour guide ashore. When I travel solo, I will buy cruise line shore excursions. I even spend more money on drinks when I'm traveling solo. With nobody to talk to at the bar, I end up drinking faster and drinking more. In the dining room, I buy my wine by the glass instead of the bottle. Here is the bottom line for the cruise line bean counters. When I travel solo the shipboard account for one person is more than the account for two people when I travel with somebody. |
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