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Continental, the airline without a heart
"John Kulp" wrote in message ... Because, they weren't OBLIGATED to do it, that's why. Anyone is free to give away anything they want whenever they want if they want. But they certainly aren't obligated to do it, that's for sure. Nobody said anything about being obligated. The writer's words and their tone showed that she expected a kindness or consideration and was disappointed. Nothing more. |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:36:40 -0500, "Sancho Panza"
wrote: "John Kulp" wrote in message ... Because, they weren't OBLIGATED to do it, that's why. Anyone is free to give away anything they want whenever they want if they want. But they certainly aren't obligated to do it, that's for sure. Nobody said anything about being obligated. The writer's words and their tone showed that she expected a kindness or consideration and was disappointed. Nothing more. Baloney. She was very clear about expecting a free upgrade to business class pure and simple and is defaming a company because she didn't get it. She's just trying to use her husband's condition and being in business class as a means to obfuscate her real intention. Did you not notice that she said nothing about ranting against the insurance company who was the one that actually forked over the money for the ticket? Did you not notice that she said nothing about paying for the upgrade herself? Nothing. Nada. She wanted a free lunch pure and simple, didn't get, and decided to defame the company that wouldn't grant her charity. Tell me, if you are in the hospital using insurance and your policy pays for a semi-private room instead of a private one, if you're going to rant at anyone, do you rant at the hospital who gives those to paying clients or the insurance company that won't pay for it? |
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On Nov 19, 3:36*am, "Sancho Panza" wrote:
"John Kulp" wrote in message ... Because, they weren't OBLIGATED to do it, that's why. *Anyone is free to give away anything they want whenever they want if they want. *But they certainly aren't obligated to do it, that's for sure. Nobody said anything about being obligated. The writer's words and their tone showed that she expected a kindness or consideration and was disappointed. Nothing more. Quite. This discussion has made the 'business reason' for treating people in a civilised way perfectly clear. Nutters who think that being decent to people is 'socialist' and thus have some sort of peculiar view of business as occupying a non-human realm are best kept to working in the military or prison service - and they are a bit of a menace there. Businesses that survive, survive on the trust and loyalty of their customers. To some extent they can ignore this and try to run on a price/performance basis only, but they only last as long as there are new suckers. Giving a service is more than just offering X for price Y and neither more nor less - as any genuine business person will tell you. You'll find that even pile-em-high and sell-em-cheap retailers actually do offer a service, even if it is poor compared to a higher end operation - if they don't, even they don't last, because they can be undercut by a retailer that is just as cheap, but nicer. I, as a result of this story, would certainly choose another airline if on a route where this airline operated and had an alternative choice - as, I'm sure, would many others who heard the story. It might be irrational of me, but that doesn't mean that the airline wouldn't lose the business. |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:13:44 -0800 (PST), Peter Brooks
wrote: On Nov 19, 3:36=A0am, "Sancho Panza" wrote: "John Kulp" wrote in message ... Because, they weren't OBLIGATED to do it, that's why. =A0Anyone is free to give away anything they want whenever they want if they want. =A0But they certainly aren't obligated to do it, that's for sure. Nobody said anything about being obligated. The writer's words and their tone showed that she expected a kindness or consideration and was disappointed. Nothing more. Quite. This discussion has made the 'business reason' for treating people in a civilised way perfectly clear. Nutters who think that being decent to people is 'socialist' and thus have some sort of peculiar view of business as occupying a non-human realm are best kept to working in the military or prison service - and they are a bit of a menace there. Tell you what ace, go give her your money for an upgrade you twit. Was she decent to the FAs, haranging them through the trip? And while your at it trying to impose your screwball mores on every else at their expense, find out a. why the insurance company wouldn't pay for it though she didn't rant about that, b. why she didn't pay herself, the cheapskate and c. any law anywhere that requires any business to give their services and products away you crackpot. Businesses that survive, survive on the trust and loyalty of their customers. To some extent they can ignore this and try to run on a price/performance basis only, but they only last as long as there are new suckers. Giving a service is more than just offering X for price Y and neither more nor less - as any genuine business person will tell you. You'll find that even pile-em-high and sell-em-cheap retailers actually do offer a service, even if it is poor compared to a higher end operation - if they don't, even they don't last, because they can be undercut by a retailer that is just as cheap, but nicer. What a bunch of socialist bull****. None of them survive by giving their services or products away to everyone coming along with some sob story that idiots like you want them to do. And you're so dumb to think anyone should follow your crackpot views. If that were the case, there would be laws requiring it wouldn't there? For which there are exactly none, because sane people realize you go bankrupt, treat your paying passengers unfairly, get FAs fired and all the rest your screwball views would do. I, as a result of this story, would certainly choose another airline if on a route where this airline operated and had an alternative choice - as, I'm sure, would many others who heard the story. It might be irrational of me, but that doesn't mean that the airline wouldn't lose the business. You moron. Airlines and other businesses have long since learned that they don't lose customers by not giving them freebies. Not giving some screwball with a sob story who has no compunction in getting others fired to fulfill her screwball desires deserves exactly what she got--which was nothing. Nevermind that you have no idea whether any of the prattle she posted is in any way accurate. You're too stupid to even question why she didn't rant at the insurance company that wouldn't pay for business class for her in this little tale of hers. It doesn't bother your miniscule brain that she is defaming a company here which has no obligation whatsoever to give her anything free. But you certainly are stupid enough to buy her nonsense hook, line and sinker aren't. Naive twit. |
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On Nov 19, 5:40*am, (John Kulp) wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:13:44 -0800 (PST), Peter Brooks You moron. Mmm, some rather perceptive projection, methinks. *Airlines and other businesses have long since learned that they don't lose customers by not giving them freebies. I wonder why you're both so misanthropic and so very cross - maybe you were a Pan Am supporter. I'm sure they followed your ethos. Doing well, aren't they. It could, of course, be something else, piles perhaps? You're not a bus or taxi driver are you? |
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John Kulp wrote:
Baloney. She was very clear about expecting a free upgrade to business class pure and simple and is defaming a company because she didn't get it. She's just trying to use her husband's condition and being in business class as a means to obfuscate her real intention. Did you not notice that she said nothing about ranting against the insurance company who was the one that actually forked over the money for the ticket? Did you not notice that she said nothing about paying for the upgrade herself? Nothing. Nada. She wanted a free lunch pure and simple, didn't get, and decided to defame the company that wouldn't grant her charity. Tell me, if you are in the hospital using insurance and your policy pays for a semi-private room instead of a private one, if you're going to rant at anyone, do you rant at the hospital who gives those to paying clients or the insurance company that won't pay for it? I think the "baloney" is coming from you. What part of they wouldn't permit me to visit him in the first class cabin didn't you get. At no time did I ever ask for a free upgrade. I just wanted to sit near my husband in the empty seat that was in the cabin. How about you take Continental to task for telling my husband to remove his oxygen and visit me in the tourist cabin because I was not, under any circumstances, medical (to help him with his insulin pump) or other wise permitted into the first class cabin. If you find this practice to be humane, then it's because you suffer from the same lack of humanity as Continental. I really feel sorry for people like you who have nothing to inject into a conversation other than your own evil-minded opinions. I think you might want to consider getting a real life. PLONK -- Janet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:10:25 -0800 (PST), Peter Brooks
wrote: On Nov 19, 5:40=A0am, (John Kulp) wrote: On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:13:44 -0800 (PST), Peter Brooks You moron. Mmm, some rather perceptive projection, methinks. Enough to know that companies don't give away their products and services because dimwits like you think they should. Have your's do that and see how long you're flying in any class. =A0Airlines and other businesses have long since learned that they don't lose customers by not giving them freebies. I wonder why you're both so misanthropic and so very cross - maybe you were a Pan Am supporter. I'm sure they followed your ethos. Doing well, aren't they. I'm not some mindless twit like you that hate airlines no matter who they are, what their quality is, etc. etc. because you are so screwed up in some morals you want to impose on everyone else. You or this crackpot could care less that she wasn't entitled to anything she wanted, didn't give a hoot that the FAs would have been fired has they done what she wanted, was too cheap to PAY for what she wanted or anything else. Rest assured that airlines or any other businesses aren't going to pay any attention at all to your mindless blathering. It could, of course, be something else, piles perhaps? You're not a bus or taxi driver are you? Yes, it's something else you idiot. I'm not in the camp of morons like you and her that think they're entitled to free products and services because they want them and are too cheap to pay for them. |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:13:24 -0600, Janet Wilder
wrote: John Kulp wrote: Baloney. She was very clear about expecting a free upgrade to business class pure and simple and is defaming a company because she didn't get it. She's just trying to use her husband's condition and being in business class as a means to obfuscate her real intention. Did you not notice that she said nothing about ranting against the insurance company who was the one that actually forked over the money for the ticket? Did you not notice that she said nothing about paying for the upgrade herself? Nothing. Nada. She wanted a free lunch pure and simple, didn't get, and decided to defame the company that wouldn't grant her charity. Tell me, if you are in the hospital using insurance and your policy pays for a semi-private room instead of a private one, if you're going to rant at anyone, do you rant at the hospital who gives those to paying clients or the insurance company that won't pay for it? I think the "baloney" is coming from you. What part of they wouldn't permit me to visit him in the first class cabin didn't you get. At no time did I ever ask for a free upgrade. I just wanted to sit near my husband in the empty seat that was in the cabin. What do you think that is you mindless twit. You don't get into a premiium cabin unless you PAY for it. Part of what those that pay for it are paying for is to keep people just like you out of their space. Nevermind that the FAs would have been fired for allowing you to. You only care about your own selfish, cheap wants. How about you take Continental to task for telling my husband to remove his oxygen and visit me in the tourist cabin because I was not, under any circumstances, medical (to help him with his insulin pump) or other wise permitted into the first class cabin. Let's start with I don't believe one word of this blather. Oxygen containers on planes are completely portable and you can take them anywhere. That's how they got on planes in the first place. I have seen plenty of them on planes, including ones that people bring on themselves. This is a load of crap. And if he had a nurse with him, she would certainly have known how to handle an insulin pump, as does the patient himself. And nevermind that you made no allegations about insulin causing any problems, which you certainly would have ranted about if you thought you could. Too bad they could have verified that crap isn't it? This is just your fiction trying to justify your selfish, cheap actions. If you find this practice to be humane, then it's because you suffer from the same lack of humanity as Continental. It's a pack of lies, is what it is. FAs are given medical training in the first instance and if something dire is really going on, they divert the plane so the passenger can get the medical care they need. And I hate to tell you, but I was on a flight on CO to Copenhagen from Newark a couple of weeks ago in BusinessFirst (guess what I PAID for it). A passenger in economy did get ill and they moved him up to an empty BusinessFirst seat and gave him oxygen from--guess what--a portable oxygen tank which he took off the plane with him when we landed in Copenhagen. CO had called ahead and Danish medical personnel got on the plane to check him and take him to a hospital before we got off. That's how they really handle medical situations you twit, not the fictional nonsense you posted trying to make them look bad. I really feel sorry for people like you who have nothing to inject into a conversation other than your own evil-minded opinions. I think you might want to consider getting a real life. And you can try apologizing to the FAs you tried to get fired and to CO for defaming him with you selfish, cheap crap too, you lying crackpot. Right after you write to the insurance company and rant at them for not paying for your cheap ass to go into business on completely phoney pretenses. PLONK -- Janet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life |
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On Nov 19, 6:28*pm, (John Kulp) wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:10:25 -0800 (PST), Peter Brooks Rest assured that airlines or any other businesses aren't going to pay any attention at all to your mindless blathering. I do bow to your superior knowledge of how mindless blathering is received - you are quite clearly an expert! I'm surprised you don't have piles, though, you might need to see a quack. If there is no obvious organic cause ( psoriatic arthropathy perhaps?) for your state then you might have borderline personality disorder or even early onset Alzheimer's disease. There's no cause for alarm, but, as a bit of friendly advice, have a check up and mention your irritability and misanthropy. |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:38:33 -0800 (PST), Peter Brooks
wrote: On Nov 19, 6:28=A0pm, (John Kulp) wrote: On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:10:25 -0800 (PST), Peter Brooks Rest assured that airlines or any other businesses aren't going to pay any attention at all to your mindless blathering. I do bow to your superior knowledge of how mindless blathering is received - you are quite clearly an expert! I'm surprised you don't have piles, though, you might need to see a quack. If there is no obvious organic cause ( psoriatic arthropathy perhaps?) for your state then you might have borderline personality disorder or even early onset Alzheimer's disease. There's no cause for alarm, but, as a bit of friendly advice, have a check up and mention your irritability and misanthropy. This is exactly the kind of mindless blathering I was talking about. Having been shown to be a complete fool trying to justify some selfish idiot's lust for a free lunch she was too cheap to pay for and totally willing to have airline staff getting fired if they had complied, all while knowing nothing at all about how airlines function he is reduced to a fixation on my ass where he is desperately trying to plant his head. |
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