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Europe motoring atlas recommendations sought
Hello, I am planning a long trip in Europe by car, and I would like
your recommendations for a motoring atlas. Actually, several. I will at least travel in Germany, north through Norway all the way to the end, back down and through Switzerland, Italy, and everywhere in Greece. I intend to visit France too, particularly Brittany for the megalithic stuff there. It will be a long trip. I am most familiar with the Michelins, and I liked the Great Britain and Ireland atlas because it had symbols for methalithics and other ruins like castles and abbeys. I am using the all-Europe atlas for planning purposes, but it is too high-level for on-the-road navigation. I do not want to use a navigation computer. I used a huge fold-out when I went to Sicily, that I bought when I was over there. Maybe I should do the same, this time? It's just that by getting all the atlases in advance, I can mark up all the must-see sights right on the map I'll use to get around. I also like scenic drives, and the Michelins mark what _they_ think qualify as scenic, with a green line alongside the road. Any other atlas do something like that? Please share your thoughts on this important topic! -- Dan Stephenson Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.: http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda (remove nospam from email address to reply via email) |
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Europe motoring atlas recommendations sought
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Dan Stephenson wrote:
Hello, I am planning a long trip in Europe by car, and I would like your recommendations for a motoring atlas. Actually, several. For Italy, nothing beats the TCI (Italian Touring Club) Atlante Stradale (Road Atlas). Consult their web site (although slightly awkward to navigate). There is a "Punto Touring" with bookshop in all major italian cities, and there are "succursali" (subsidiary bookshops) in many other places. This is a link in English http://www.touringclub.com/ENG/Trave...d_Atlases.aspx This is a result of the search form in italian for "Atlante stradale" http://www.touringclub.com/ITA/viagg...nte%20stradale I'm not sure whether there is a separate English edition (as for some guides). I know the Italian one (mine, at least my last, since it is periodically sent to TCI members, is almost all maps, and has quadrilingual captions at the front). I've seen two separate versions : one has north and south in two separate volumes, with motorway diagrams at the front. The other had north, centre and south in three volumes, with city maps at the end. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- is a newsreading account used by more persons to avoid unwanted spam. Any mail returning to this address will be rejected. Users can disclose their e-mail address in the article if they wish so. |
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Europe motoring atlas recommendations sought
"Giovanni Drogo" kirjoitti viestissä:alpine.LSU.1.00.0903311027090.1693@cbfrv qba.ynzoengr.vans.vg... On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Dan Stephenson wrote: Hello, I am planning a long trip in Europe by car, and I would like your recommendations for a motoring atlas. Actually, several. For Italy, nothing beats the TCI (Italian Touring Club) Atlante Stradale (Road Atlas). Consult their web site (although slightly awkward to navigate). There is a "Punto Touring" with bookshop in all major italian cities, and there are "succursali" (subsidiary bookshops) in many other places. For actual navigation the electronic maps for turn to turn instructions would be quite superior to any hardcopy maps but for some reason the other chap is not keen to utilize them. |
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Europe motoring atlas recommendations sought
On 2009-03-31 03:36:45 -0500, Giovanni Drogo
said: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Dan Stephenson wrote: Hello, I am planning a long trip in Europe by car, and I would like your recommendations for a motoring atlas. Actually, several. For Italy, nothing beats the TCI (Italian Touring Club) Atlante Stradale (Road Atlas). Consult their web site (although slightly awkward to navigate). There is a "Punto Touring" with bookshop in all major italian cities, and there are "succursali" (subsidiary bookshops) in many other places. This is a link in English http://www.touringclub.com/ENG/Trave...d_Atlases.aspx This is a result of the search form in italian for "Atlante stradale" http://www.touringclub.com/ITA/viagg...nte%20stradale I'm not sure whether there is a separate English edition (as for some guides). I know the Italian one (mine, at least my last, since it is periodically sent to TCI members, is almost all maps, and has quadrilingual captions at the front). I've seen two separate versions : one has north and south in two separate volumes, with motorway diagrams at the front. The other had north, centre and south in three volumes, with city maps at the end. Grazie mille, Giovanni. Fortunately, I do not think there is too much of a language barrier when it comes to road maps! I'm really interested visiting Roman and if possible Greek ruins. I've been to Rome, Pompeii, Herculaneum, and Paestum, and "all" the Greek sites in Sicily. Does these TCI atlases indicate where ruins like these are located? you see, I like stringing together visits to places like that and scenic-drive in between. Thanks, Dan -- Dan Stephenson Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.: http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda (remove nospam from email address to reply via email) |
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Europe motoring atlas recommendations sought
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Dan Stephenson wrote:
For Italy, nothing beats the TCI (Italian Touring Club) Atlante Stradale I'm really interested visiting Roman and if possible Greek ruins. I've been to Rome, Pompeii, Herculaneum, and Paestum, and "all" the Greek sites in Sicily. Does these TCI atlases indicate where ruins like these are located? I can't check straight now from here. I'm afraid the scale of the maps will not allow to spot easily archaelogical sites, although I'm pretty sure at least the main ones will be marked with some symbol. If you want some detail you should get a real guidebook. I know TCI publishes some in English, which you should be able to find via the links I provided. Definitely TCI produces excellent guides in Italian with nice and accurate city and site maps. I could recommend the following : - the "Guida Rapida" (I guess this is now 5 volumes in pocket format, 20x10 cm or thereabout : NW, NE, Centre-N, Centre-S, S and islands). I remember for instance that with an OLD Rapida tiny map I was able to walk from Capri town to Villa Jovis and all around the coast - the "Green" guides (Guide Verdi, this is also in the same format as the Rapida) There are green guides for regions, and other for smaller areas with a bit more of detail. (and there are also green guides for most European countries and some other ones as well). I confess I liked more the old arrangement (which had an itinerary section with altitude profiles at front, an an alphabetic section with places : a short list of hotels, restaurant, tourist offices, some history, list of sights and a map for major places). The new arrangement has nice introductory sections on history and so on, but then places are grouped in itinerary chapters (these contains maps and sights) while the hotels etc. are listed alphabetically by place at the end. I know they are planning a major refurbishment. The newer green guides will be issued in two volumes, so that they could update the hotel and tourist office addresses one more often. - the "Red" guides ("guide rosse") are thicker volumes, but still in a (smaller) pocket size. These are considered as official references by the Ministry of Culture. They are extremely detailed and list every monument or detail. However they are more expensive and updated less often. There are also fancier guides more oriented towards young people, and some of them are adapted from foreign series (like the Routard). Fancier images (like on the Golden Guides), but I don't quite like them. Perhaps the only useful thing in this category are the Cartoville (these are city maps in a convenient folding format). -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- is a newsreading account used by more persons to avoid unwanted spam. Any mail returning to this address will be rejected. Users can disclose their e-mail address in the article if they wish so. |
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Europe motoring atlas recommendations sought
Dan Stephenson ha scritto:
back down and through Switzerland, Italy, and everywhere in Greece. I intend to visit France too, particularly Brittany for the megalithic stuff there. It will be a long trip. For Italy this one is the best. You will find also different sizes... http://www.touringclub.com/ITA/viagg...DEditoria=1851 For other countries I don't know, sorry... Ciao, Piero. |
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Europe motoring atlas recommendations sought
On 31 mar, 04:55, Dan Stephenson wrote:
Hello, I am planning a long trip in Europe by car, and I would like your recommendations for a motoring atlas. Actually, several. I will at least travel in Germany, north through Norway all the way to the end, back down and through Switzerland, Italy, and everywhere in Greece. I intend to visit France too, particularly Brittany for the megalithic stuff there. It will be a long trip. I am most familiar with the Michelins, and I liked the Great Britain and Ireland atlas because it had symbols for methalithics and other ruins like castles and abbeys. I am using the all-Europe atlas for planning purposes, but it is too high-level for on-the-road navigation. I do not want to use a navigation computer. Agreed: the few navigation computers I saw or tried out led to more unplanned detours than when using regular maps (in Switzerland and Germany; no first hand experience for other countries with the exception of Canada where navigation computer worked quite well) Nevertheless, a GPS (or AGPS) device is imho an appropriate add-on to "paper maps" especially when driving at night outside main highways in Europe. Just roaming cost for gsm-based devices using internet for downloading updated maps might be prohibitive. For most trips, I now use route-planners such as www.viamichelin.com (for Europe) and yahoo maps (for Canada), adjust and re-adjust the "recommended" routes (often enough routes with unappropriate detours or time-consuming "shortcuts" in traffic congestion areas) and print the modified route information with some detail maps for sections I might adjust trip once on the road. Ignoring road signs while driving or their impact on planned itineraries can lead to major detours (such as closed or modified highway exits due to construction) I used a huge fold-out when I went to Sicily, that I bought when I was over there. Maybe I should do the same, this time? It's just that by getting all the atlases in advance, I can mark up all the must-see sights right on the map I'll use to get around. Imho again, main problem - especially for Eastern Europe now - is to get updated maps. Older maps or motoring atlas dont have new or changed highways and streets, nor road construction information. Best probably is to buy updated regular maps, check as far as possible for updated traffic information (including expected major traffic jams) on the internet. Most of that kind of information is available on the internet using national road information services or drivers associations - problem is to find the respective information for each single country. For France for example http://www.bison-fute.equipement.gou...l.do?langue=en provides long term information on expected traffic jams at http://www.bison-fute.equipement.gou...id_rubrique=16 For my vacation trips, I now use tourist guides (for Europe I still prefer Michelin green guides) in addition to personal information to compile the list of places to visit. Put them on some overall map - and start comparing different possible itineraries using internet route planners. And use as far as available information on expected traffic problems (construction and traffic jams) available on the internet. Worked more or less well for the countries I drove the last few years - but my last trips to Norway and Greece were before internet browsers existed .... :-( |
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Europe motoring atlas recommendations sought
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:24:56 +0100, je wrote
(in article ): On 31 mar, 04:55, Dan Stephenson wrote: I do not want to use a navigation computer. Agreed: the few navigation computers I saw or tried out led to more unplanned detours than when using regular maps (in Switzerland and Germany; no first hand experience for other countries with the exception of Canada where navigation computer worked quite well) I use a gps sat. nav. all the time when driving in Europe and I'd hate to do without it now, but I plan the routes in great detail using paper maps, then enter and save them onto the gps unit before I leave home. I find this allows us to relax without all the messing about navigating (and getting lost) with paper maps while driving. -- Mike Lane UK North Yorkshire |
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Europe motoring atlas recommendations sought
On 2009-04-02 01:24:56 -0500, je said:
Worked more or less well for the countries I drove the last few years - but my last trips to Norway and Greece were before internet browsers existed .... :-( What were some of the more scenic-beauty sorts of places in Norway and Greece, for you? I remember the area around Delphi was pretty amazing. The hotel room looked out on the valley -- wow. -- Dan Stephenson Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.: http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda (remove nospam from email address to reply via email) |
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On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Dan Stephenson wrote:
What were some of the more scenic-beauty sorts of places in Norway most of the coastal road down from Cape Nord to Fauske, or even through the Lofoten. Also some of the parts around southern fjords (Bergen and Stavanger area), specially the winding roads going up to the plateau from the end of the fjords. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- is a newsreading account used by more persons to avoid unwanted spam. Any mail returning to this address will be rejected. Users can disclose their e-mail address in the article if they wish so. |
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