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English language-Airlines
When, say, Iberia flys a totally within Spain flight do the pilot and tower
people speak English ot Spanish to each other? Gary 'Gatsby' Nichols |
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Should be English everywhere I believe but some places 'let it slip'
sometimes. I remember listening to the tower at AMS a few years ago and one of the KLM pilots on approach started to talk in Dutch, he was kindly reminded by ATC to speak in English. Col. -- Remove the 'old' to reply to me. Watashi no tsuma wa nihon-jin desu! Watashi no tsuma wa kawaii desu! |
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In the case of Iberia, Spanish. Same in France with Air France, French.
However, I believe KLM always speak English, even at Schipol. -- ***** *****The "return to" address embedded in this mail is wrong as an antispam measure. Please address new mails or replies to edwarddotharrison1atbtinternetdotcom replacing dot with a . and at with an @***** ***** |
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Quoting "Graham Harrison" regarding
English language-Airlines in a message dated Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:07:48 +0000 (UTC): In the case of Iberia, Spanish. Same in France with Air France, French. However, I believe KLM always speak English, even at Schipol. Would there not be native language controlers on different frequencies for the given station (eg. Spanish "TRACON" controler or Spanish "Tower" controler as well as the std. English operators on each)? The pilot could then elect which to choose (I would assume as part of the original flight plan). I can envision several Asian countries doing this as well (Japan, China etc.). __________________________________ Regards, Arnold. (E-mail address altered, to prevent spamming. :-| Remove all asterisks and the *hates*spam* to get true address.) |
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"mag3" wrote in message ... Quoting "Graham Harrison" regarding English language-Airlines in a message dated Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:07:48 +0000 (UTC): In the case of Iberia, Spanish. Same in France with Air France, French. However, I believe KLM always speak English, even at Schipol. Would there not be native language controlers on different frequencies for the given station (eg. Spanish "TRACON" controler or Spanish "Tower" controler as well as the std. English operators on each)? The pilot could then elect which to choose (I would assume as part of the original flight plan). I can envision several Asian countries doing this as well (Japan, China etc.). From what I hear, "situational awareness" is VERY important to pilots. It is considered important to know what the other traffic you are contending with is doing. Controllers DO make mistakes and pilots want to be able to complain or react. For this reason, many pilots consider it a DANGEROUS practice to air traffic control to use other than English when speaking to non-English pilots. Having separate frequencies and controllers for different languages would be far, far, far worse. About 55 years ago English was adopted as the standard language for aviation, that includes air traffic control. Yes, that standard is violated in some countries. Also all important passenger announcement must be given in English in addition to any other language. I've been on French charters from Paris where I suspected I was the only native-English-speaker and all important announcements were given in English as well as French. |
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Nope, all on one frequency. It's a perennial complaint amongst pilots that
locals speak to one another in their native tongue. It's surprising how much situational awareness can be generated from knowing what other people are saying. If it's all in the same language then obviously everyone benefits but even if different languages are used there are some clues in the reporting points being announced over the air. There is also a perennial suspicion that local pilots get preference over non-local pilots and that using the local language helps to hide this "bias". -- ***** *****The "return to" address embedded in this mail is wrong as an antispam measure. Please address new mails or replies to edwarddotharrison1atbtinternetdotcom replacing dot with a . and at with an @***** ***** |
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Quoting "R J Carpenter" regarding English
language-Airlines in a message dated Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:30:27 -0500: From what I hear, "situational awareness" is VERY important to pilots. It is considered important to know what the other traffic you are contending with is doing. Controllers DO make mistakes and pilots want to be able to complain or react. For this reason, many pilots consider it a DANGEROUS practice to air traffic control to use other than English when speaking to non-English pilots. About 55 years ago English was adopted as the standard language for aviation, that includes air traffic control. I was aware of this but had thought of the "just in case" scenario. I've heard pilots from various world airlines talk on ATC. Most are very proficient in English. I even recall the exchanges between the late Cpt. John Testrake of TWA Flight 847 and the Beruit Tower controller. But some often struggle maintaining the high "cadence" standard set primarily by US pilots and controllers. It follows therefore that some non-native English speaking controllers might have the same difficulty, the "native language" frequencies making it easier for both affected pilots and controllers alike. Yes, that standard is violated in some countries. I think English was adapted because of the historical American "roots" and initial growth of the organized air travel industry. By all modern population & language standards, it should be Spanish as it is the #3 language spoken worldwide by "population" and #1 worldwide by "geographic distribution." English is 4th by population (#2 by population is Hindi, and #1 is Mandarin Chinese). Also all important passenger announcement must be given in English in addition to any other language. I've been on French charters from Paris where I suspected I was the only native-English-speaker and all important announcements were given in English as well as French. I wonder if that has anything to do with the country or the airline maintaining an FAA "Category 1" rating so as to have USA privileges. I'll have to try some native foreign airlines that don't travel to the USA or have a US presence. __________________________________ Regards, Arnold. (E-mail address altered, to prevent spamming. :-| Remove all asterisks and the *hates*spam* to get true address.) |
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"mag3" schreef in bericht ... I wonder if that has anything to do with the country or the airline maintaining an FAA "Category 1" rating so as to have USA privileges. I'll have to try some native foreign airlines that don't travel to the USA or have a US presence. MIAT Mongolian Airlines, Vietnam Airlines, Bangkok Airways, Myanmar Airlines, Transavia, Easyjet, Merpati, Pluna, Air Berlin, are some of the airlines that don't fly to the US and that I have flown, and announcements in English were made on all of them. (although the announcements in English on Easyjet were hard to understand) Sjoerd |
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"Sjoerd" wrote in message ... "mag3" schreef in bericht ... I wonder if that has anything to do with the country or the airline maintaining an FAA "Category 1" rating so as to have USA privileges. I'll have to try some native foreign airlines that don't travel to the USA or have a US presence. MIAT Mongolian Airlines, Vietnam Airlines, Bangkok Airways, Myanmar Airlines, Transavia, Easyjet, Merpati, Pluna, Air Berlin, are some of the airlines that don't fly to the US and that I have flown, and announcements in English were made on all of them. (although the announcements in English on Easyjet were hard to understand) Sjoerd Did you by any chance fly EZY into or out of Liverpool? Or were you perhaps trying to understand Native Geordie? JohnT |
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"Graham Harrison" wrote in message ... Nope, all on one frequency. It's a perennial complaint amongst pilots that locals speak to one another in their native tongue. It's surprising how much situational awareness can be generated from knowing what other people are saying. If it's all in the same language then obviously everyone benefits but even if different languages are used there are some clues in the reporting points being announced over the air. There is also a perennial suspicion that local pilots get preference over non-local pilots and that using the local language helps to hide this "bias". I saw a documentary about this once. Apparently Air France issued an edict that all pilots must talk to the tower in English. However the pilots rebelled and AF had to reverse their decision. Speaking French was blamed for a fatal crash at CDG when a plane was told in English to taxi onto a runway ready for take off. He didn't know that this was a mistake because there was already an aircraft taking off on that runway (thick fog meant visibility was poor). If they were all talking English then the pilot would have known that there was already a takeoff underway and would have questioned the command from ATC. |
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