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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:20:44 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
a wrote: in article , Nelly at wrote on 3/2/04 9:12 PM: On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:52:26 +1300, Tarla wrote: On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:40:40 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian a wrote: in article , AKM at wrote on 3/2/04 3:05 PM: mtravelkay wrote: 15 years ago, while on a temp assignment in LA while working at IBM in Austin. during the development of AIX/PS2 at Locus Software in the Herbel Life building, I was staying at the Marriott LAX. One night a bunch of us were coming back from dinner. In front of the hotel was a body draped in a sheet. Apparently, someone jumped from the 14th floor, presumably because there was no 13th floor. If you correct for the American way of counting floors, would it be only the 12th? Aaah, I get you now. Yes, the 12th in the civilized world. You're both mistaken. Here in NZ it's called the ground floor. But in the US, it's called the 1st floor. Floors are numbered. Even the basements are numbered b1, b2, b3 etc. I always get confused here and say "I'm going to the 2nd floor." when I mean the first floor off the ground...since most I've met here call the first floor, the ground floor. Tarla **** Tarla, I haven't been following this thread too well. I remember Canada being pretty much the same as the US and IIRC the UK. In terms of floor numbering, yes. In terms of everything else.....bite your tongue! Is the 13th left everywhere in the US and is it because of superstition? Silly question I know but need an answer. :-D Yeah. A lot of airliners don't have a 13th row either (or, to be precise, a row with the number 13) I never noticed. May be they should take the 9 and 11 out of the equation now. Nelly. If you see someone without a smile, give them one of yours :-) |
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"Raffi Balmanoukian" a wrote in message news:BC6A8FC2.2157D%walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREP LY.ns.sympatico.ca... Even more so when I sleep with the boss! (self-employed.....whatever were you thinking? 8-)) Ever won a raise? |
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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 14:12:06 +1300, Nelly
wrote: On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:52:26 +1300, Tarla wrote: On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:40:40 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian a wrote: in article , AKM at wrote on 3/2/04 3:05 PM: mtravelkay wrote: 15 years ago, while on a temp assignment in LA while working at IBM in Austin. during the development of AIX/PS2 at Locus Software in the Herbel Life building, I was staying at the Marriott LAX. One night a bunch of us were coming back from dinner. In front of the hotel was a body draped in a sheet. Apparently, someone jumped from the 14th floor, presumably because there was no 13th floor. If you correct for the American way of counting floors, would it be only the 12th? Aaah, I get you now. Yes, the 12th in the civilized world. You're both mistaken. Here in NZ it's called the ground floor. But in the US, it's called the 1st floor. Floors are numbered. Even the basements are numbered b1, b2, b3 etc. I always get confused here and say "I'm going to the 2nd floor." when I mean the first floor off the ground...since most I've met here call the first floor, the ground floor. Tarla **** Tarla, I haven't been following this thread too well. I remember Canada being pretty much the same as the US and IIRC the UK. Is the 13th left everywhere in the US and is it because of superstition? Silly question I know but need an answer. :-D Nelly. If you see someone without a smile, give them one of yours :-) It is up to the building owner. Most don't have it, but most is considerably different than none. Another option I have seen it make the 13th floor a machinery area, so it has no rentable space... |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
in article , matt weber at
wrote on 3/2/04 11:36 PM: It is up to the building owner. Most don't have it, but most is considerably different than none. Another option I have seen it make the 13th floor a machinery area, so it has no rentable space... I don't know this for a fact.....but does one order elevators "with" and "without" a number 13 for shafts above that number of floors/levels (depending on whether the entry level is "ground" or "first" floor, to come full circle to another discussion) |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 21:09:48 GMT, Geoff McCaughan
wrote: In rec.travel.australia+nz Raffi Balmanoukian a wrote: in article , Jim Davis Sr. at wrote on 3/1/04 9:09 PM: "Raffi Balmanoukian" a wrote in message news:BC68DDEF.214AE%walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREP LY.ns.sympatico.ca... As for suing....NZ should consider going after the estate of the deceased for all of its damages, including the dent in the van 8-) Go after the Estate? Oh Gawd! The guy probably had nothing, or very little. Not if he had insurance payable to his estate. Life insurance is usually void in the case of suicide. Most life insurance policies have an incontetability clause, after that clause runs its course (usually 2 years), the clause is a contractual agreement that prohibits contesting the claim except in very special circumstances (usually fraud). Some policies have acts of war declared or otherwise as an exclusion. In general, once you get past the incontestability clause, suicide or even death in commission of a crime does NOT void contract. |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:44:15 -0800, Malcolm Weir
wrote: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:06:11 -0700, matt weber wrote: The decision was made to fly the Boeing 747-400 back to Auckland with only the 13 crew and in-flight service director on board. An airline spokesman said the cost of flying the aircraft home without passengers would have been "up to $50,000". Somebody's arithmetic is more than a bit suspect... Two ways of looking at this, but for starters, it is a 6500 mile mission, so about 12 hours, and about 240,000 pouns of Jet A, or about 37,000 gallons, at current rates that is about 33,000USD just for the fuel. That says nothing about landing fees, maintenance, or anything else. The other way is to look at NZ's ASM cost. It is about 11 US cents, and that puts the price at about 280,000USD. Either way, NO WAY IT CAN BE DONE FOR ONLY $50,000 Huh? The aircraft was going to fly the route anyway, so landing fees, maintenance, etc. would have been paid anyway. Operating empty of passengers (but not, I'd bet, cargo) means that it would save some fuel, plus catering costs. But those costs would be borne by the alternate flights (NZ1, QF26, etc.) so that's a wash. The only additional costs that would be incurred would be the compensation to the passengers and any incremental costs of having other carriers like Qantas (or whoever) take their passengers. Do you really think QF (or anyone else) will transport 300 passengers for $160 each? The ASM cost is about 10 cents, so for each passenger, NZ is likely to be paying out upwards of 600USD in economy, and a whole lot more than that in the premium cabins. The F cabin revenue on the service could easily exceed $50K. I'm not seeing a problem with the $50K number... Malc. |
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in article , matt weber at
wrote on 3/2/04 11:50 PM: On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:44:15 -0800, Malcolm Weir wrote: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:06:11 -0700, matt weber wrote: The decision was made to fly the Boeing 747-400 back to Auckland with only the 13 crew and in-flight service director on board. An airline spokesman said the cost of flying the aircraft home without passengers would have been "up to $50,000". Somebody's arithmetic is more than a bit suspect... Two ways of looking at this, but for starters, it is a 6500 mile mission, so about 12 hours, and about 240,000 pouns of Jet A, or about 37,000 gallons, at current rates that is about 33,000USD just for the fuel. That says nothing about landing fees, maintenance, or anything else. The other way is to look at NZ's ASM cost. It is about 11 US cents, and that puts the price at about 280,000USD. Either way, NO WAY IT CAN BE DONE FOR ONLY $50,000 Huh? The aircraft was going to fly the route anyway, so landing fees, maintenance, etc. would have been paid anyway. Operating empty of passengers (but not, I'd bet, cargo) means that it would save some fuel, plus catering costs. But those costs would be borne by the alternate flights (NZ1, QF26, etc.) so that's a wash. The only additional costs that would be incurred would be the compensation to the passengers and any incremental costs of having other carriers like Qantas (or whoever) take their passengers. Do you really think QF (or anyone else) will transport 300 passengers for $160 each? The ASM cost is about 10 cents, so for each passenger, NZ is likely to be paying out upwards of 600USD in economy, and a whole lot more than that in the premium cabins. The F cabin revenue on the service could easily exceed $50K. To make a very long story short, I got a first class QF seat LHR-SYD in 2000 which is a bit longer than LAX-SYD but might compare for the purposes of this example. I later found out that on a last-minute basis, it was an AUD$12,000 ticket which, thankfully, was on Air Canada's tab, not mine. |
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