Plane crashes @ Phuket Airport

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:12:50 +1000, wrote:


I think at would be best to wait for the official accident report and
not to speculate on the qualification of the crew.

They may want to blame the airplane maker, same as in the Suratthani
crash

On Sep 19, 4:12 am, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:30:44 GMT, (Guenter Bellach)
wrote:



On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:52:40 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Guenter Bellach writes:

You are probably right. To go to Krabi instead would not have made
such a difference. A parallel here to the crash in Suratthani a few
years ago?

It's probably an instance of "get-home-itis," which afflicts even airline
pilots. There may have been tremendous pressure to land at the scheduled
airport, too.

This time it may have been "go Soi Bangla-itis" There is no Soi Bangla
in Krabi.

Now we know the pilot was Indonesian. It was reported that One-Two-Go
recently replaced a number of European and Thai pilots with pilots
from Indonesia and the Philippines in order to reduce staff costs.
Well now we have seen the results of this. Indonesian airlines,
especially Garuda are very accident prone, seem to have the worst
record in the world. This particular pilot flew for a couple of very
minor Indonesian airlines which have since folded. I for one, will
avoid One-two-go in the future. I wonder if AirAsia employs the same
type of pilots? From a booking and organisational aspect they seem to
be more professional in my experience.

I think at would be best to wait for the official accident report and
not to speculate on the qualification of the crew.

Helmut

The "particular " Pilot as you refer to him certainly is well known in
local aviation circles for all the wromg reasons
Continued spatial disoroientation on a few approaches (once with a
VIP onboard ) The FO on the other hand was a more than adequate pilot
and had in fact been accepted by another airline .
Will the investigation uncover the possability of a failed previous
medical and a subsequent grounding of 12GOs Chief Pilot

As Helmut states it is prudent and proper to await the proper outcomes
of a correct investigation .
But those witha bit of knowledge may care to examine study the pics of
this accident now in the public domain . Look at the position of the
flaps (flap setting)
port Spoilers The reports of a loud bang may have been a compressor
stall that would reduce their Toga response substantially on spool
up

The fact that the a/c appears to have contacted the runway at the 2000
foot marker but only slid 60 metres is another indicator that all
was not well with this a/c and it may have just stopped flying at a
critical phase of flight .

What is concerning with this tragic incident is the culture of the
airline involved. Example duty times and rest periods!

Of course a company culture combined with crew members willing to
disregard safety standards made this crash predictable.

One Two Go disregards all Duty and Flight Time Limitations, required
maintenance
inspections and weather minimums. Again none of this can happen unless
pilots are culpable and the controlling authority looks the other
way.

Such things as incredibly inept pilots given command , truly scary
fuel saving techniques, Fatigue of both aircrew at the time will
probably be a factor (if the logs and duty rosters have not been
modified Thai style ) But may a big causal factor along with total
inability to even comprehend the meaning of CRM let alone carry it
out
such as langauge and idiom differences within the flight deck
enviroment.

This is an accident that should never have happened my only surprise
it took this long for it to happen

Condolances to all affected by this sad incident including the
reamaining staff begging aircrew to get them home safely .

If it is found that the company culture caused this (even if
mechanical failure and wx is is involved) the culture of the company
probably contributed to it and those accountable and said to provide
oversight including the Government officials must be charged and
taken to trial .Otherwise the Kingdom may beocome an aviation pariah
and uninsurable hulls could be flying pax about the skys .

On 18 Sep, 06:05, Mxsmanic wrote:
zonedout writes:
Afaik the weather was very changeable and subject to sudden heavy
storm conditions. Within an hour or so, it had stopped raining.

That doesn't change the fact that you don't try to land in in storm. There
are lots of places in the world with changeable weather. If the weather is
bad when you arrive, you wait or you divert, but you don't land.

Now we hear that wind-shear was reported by other pilots landing
there...