Jet Blue

JMSinLA wrote:
feature DirecTV in the back of each seat and here in southern California,

they

depart from Long Beach airport (LGB) instead of LAX which makes for

cheaper

long-term parking and a much easier commute situation. I think they even

have

They also fly out of Ontario (ONT) in southern California.

Yep, the map is here
http://www.jetblue.com/travelinfo/routemap.html

Looks like they fly ONT to Dulles

What more could you ask for?

Umm, respect for their customers' privacy??

OK so lets take the SAME information from a TELEPHONE BOOK and then they use
the SAME SERVICE to add SSNs and what difference does it make? Are people
upset because it was an airline that gave a pax list to someone?

"Juliana L Holm" wrote in message
...
In rec.travel.usa-canada 127.0.0.0 wrote:
On 8 Oct 2003 17:03:09 GMT, Juliana L Holm wrote:

get over it!
what did they disclose? that you flew between point z and point y on a
certain day?
sure they shouldn't have done it but what harm did it cause you?

As per the Washington Post:

"JetBlue gave Torch itinerary information on 1.5 million passengers along
with their names, addresses and phone numbers in September 2002. Torch
then used another service, Acxiom Corp., to add Social Security numbers,
economic status, occupation and other information."

Lots more than just itinerary is involved here.

Julie

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DALing wrote:

OK so lets take the SAME information from a TELEPHONE BOOK and then they use
the SAME SERVICE to add SSNs and what difference does it make? Are people
upset because it was an airline that gave a pax list to someone?


The government has no business knowing/recording when I fly from Oakland
to Long Beach. I am not a suspect in a crime.

As my phone number is unlisted, it would make a difference to me. The reason
we are upset is that people give personal information out which they had had
gathered in a situation where it was SUPPOSED to be private, and did not even
inform the affected people about it.

Julie

In rec.travel.usa-canada DALing daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com wrote:
OK so lets take the SAME information from a TELEPHONE BOOK and then they use
the SAME SERVICE to add SSNs and what difference does it make? Are people
upset because it was an airline that gave a pax list to someone?

"Juliana L Holm" wrote in message
...
In rec.travel.usa-canada 127.0.0.0 wrote:
On 8 Oct 2003 17:03:09 GMT, Juliana L Holm wrote:

get over it!
what did they disclose? that you flew between point z and point y on a
certain day?
sure they shouldn't have done it but what harm did it cause you?

As per the Washington Post:

"JetBlue gave Torch itinerary information on 1.5 million passengers along
with their names, addresses and phone numbers in September 2002. Torch
then used another service, Acxiom Corp., to add Social Security numbers,
economic status, occupation and other information."

Lots more than just itinerary is involved here.

Julie

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and you actually presume that the gummint CARES what you think/like/dislike?
(yes, I'm a dedicated CYNIC - they will do whatever they WANT to do)

"mrtravel" wrote in message
. ..
DALing wrote:

OK so lets take the SAME information from a TELEPHONE BOOK and then they
use
the SAME SERVICE to add SSNs and what difference does it make? Are
people
upset because it was an airline that gave a pax list to someone?


The government has no business knowing/recording when I fly from Oakland
to Long Beach. I am not a suspect in a crime.

now you make a point - I was mentioning "publicly available information" and
the "connecting of the dots". In the case of unpublished data, there IS a
difference - but in reality, whatever "they" want, "they" will GET (and
damned be the hindmost)

Note that I dislike gummint "peering" with a passion, but there is patently
NOTHING we can do to stop it

"Juliana L Holm" wrote in message
...
As my phone number is unlisted, it would make a difference to me. The
reason
we are upset is that people give personal information out which they had
had
gathered in a situation where it was SUPPOSED to be private, and did not
even
inform the affected people about it.

Julie

In rec.travel.usa-canada DALing daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com wrote:
OK so lets take the SAME information from a TELEPHONE BOOK and then they
use
the SAME SERVICE to add SSNs and what difference does it make? Are
people
upset because it was an airline that gave a pax list to someone?

"Juliana L Holm" wrote in message
...
In rec.travel.usa-canada 127.0.0.0 wrote:
On 8 Oct 2003 17:03:09 GMT, Juliana L Holm
wrote:

get over it!
what did they disclose? that you flew between point z and point y on
a
certain day?
sure they shouldn't have done it but what harm did it cause you?

As per the Washington Post:

"JetBlue gave Torch itinerary information on 1.5 million passengers
along
with their names, addresses and phone numbers in September 2002. Torch
then used another service, Acxiom Corp., to add Social Security
numbers,
economic status, occupation and other information."

Lots more than just itinerary is involved here.

Julie

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I can stop using services and products from companies which do this kind
of thing. Actually the government has laws about privacy, and must tell you
when they take private data how it will be used. But private companies
you have only the power of the pocketbook over.

In rec.travel.usa-canada DALing daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com wrote:

Note that I dislike gummint "peering" with a passion, but there is patently
NOTHING we can do to stop it

"Juliana L Holm" wrote in message
...
As my phone number is unlisted, it would make a difference to me. The
reason
we are upset is that people give personal information out which they had
had
gathered in a situation where it was SUPPOSED to be private, and did not
even
inform the affected people about it.

Julie

In rec.travel.usa-canada DALing daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com wrote:
OK so lets take the SAME information from a TELEPHONE BOOK and then they
use
the SAME SERVICE to add SSNs and what difference does it make? Are
people
upset because it was an airline that gave a pax list to someone?

"Juliana L Holm" wrote in message
...
In rec.travel.usa-canada 127.0.0.0 wrote:
On 8 Oct 2003 17:03:09 GMT, Juliana L Holm
wrote:

get over it!
what did they disclose? that you flew between point z and point y on
a
certain day?
sure they shouldn't have done it but what harm did it cause you?

As per the Washington Post:

"JetBlue gave Torch itinerary information on 1.5 million passengers
along
with their names, addresses and phone numbers in September 2002. Torch
then used another service, Acxiom Corp., to add Social Security
numbers,
economic status, occupation and other information."

Lots more than just itinerary is involved here.

Julie

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**********
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http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm


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**********
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http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm


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On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:59:52 GMT, "DALing"
daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com wrote:

now you make a point - I was mentioning "publicly available information" and
the "connecting of the dots". In the case of unpublished data, there IS a
difference - but in reality, whatever "they" want, "they" will GET (and
damned be the hindmost)

Note that I dislike gummint "peering" with a passion, but there is patently
NOTHING we can do to stop it

That is an appalling position.

You are ready to become a slave; ready to accept
an America not much different from Stalin's informant-riddled
slave state. For Lubianka, substitute Gitmo; many Gitmos, on and
off-shore. The slippery slope.

For shame! The Founders must be spinning in their graves.

That is what our "axis of evil" is counting on; citizens giving up
and ceding power to the oilionnaire corporate state.

--

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"Juliana L Holm" wrote in message
...
As my phone number is unlisted, it would make a difference to me. The
reason
we are upset is that people give personal information out which they had
had
gathered in a situation where it was SUPPOSED to be private, and did not
even
inform the affected people about it.

Julie

In rec.travel.usa-canada DALing daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com wrote:
OK so lets take the SAME information from a TELEPHONE BOOK and then they
use
the SAME SERVICE to add SSNs and what difference does it make? Are
people
upset because it was an airline that gave a pax list to someone?

"Juliana L Holm" wrote in message
...
In rec.travel.usa-canada 127.0.0.0 wrote:
On 8 Oct 2003 17:03:09 GMT, Juliana L Holm
wrote:

get over it!
what did they disclose? that you flew between point z and point y on
a
certain day?
sure they shouldn't have done it but what harm did it cause you?

As per the Washington Post:

"JetBlue gave Torch itinerary information on 1.5 million passengers
along
with their names, addresses and phone numbers in September 2002. Torch
then used another service, Acxiom Corp., to add Social Security
numbers,
economic status, occupation and other information."

Lots more than just itinerary is involved here.

Julie

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**********
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http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm


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Looks like they fly ONT to Dulles

Actually, they only have one flight from ONT; it goes to JFK. (at 11:59 PM
daily!) They have connections from there to other east coast cities, but not
to Dulles.