China Travel Discussion List

Chris Blunt wrote:

As if reporting to his ISP would do any good anyway. How many
thousands of off-topic posts get uploaded every day?

Just to be clear, the original posting under discussion is not
off-topic.

Rec.travel.asia is for the purpose of discussing travel in Asia, so many
postings here mention other helpful sources of information, even some of
them, such as the Lonely Planet Thorn Tree site, entirely commercial.

The Oriental-List is another such source, dedicated to the purpose of
discussing travel in China in particular, as it has done for the last 11
years. It permits no commercial activity, carries no advertising, and no
one gains any profit from it, so mentioning it is neither off-topic, nor
spam. Mentions of its existence will continue to appear here for the
benefit of those looking for further sources of China travel
information, or a forum in which to discuss travel there.

Peter N-H
Moderator
The Oriental-List
http://www.datasinica.com

"Peter Neville-Hadley" wrote in message
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Chris Blunt wrote:

As if reporting to his ISP would do any good anyway. How many
thousands of off-topic posts get uploaded every day?

Just to be clear, the original posting under discussion is not
off-topic.

I am sure no-one has claimed that it is,

But meeting that condition doesn't stop it being spam.

(though you might argue that it is isn't under some other heading)

tim

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:15:09 GMT, w (Peter
Neville-Hadley) wrote:

Chris Blunt wrote:

As if reporting to his ISP would do any good anyway. How many
thousands of off-topic posts get uploaded every day?

Just to be clear, the original posting under discussion is not
off-topic.

Rec.travel.asia is for the purpose of discussing travel in Asia, so many
postings here mention other helpful sources of information, even some of
them, such as the Lonely Planet Thorn Tree site, entirely commercial.

The Oriental-List is another such source, dedicated to the purpose of
discussing travel in China in particular, as it has done for the last 11
years. It permits no commercial activity, carries no advertising, and no
one gains any profit from it, so mentioning it is neither off-topic, nor
spam. Mentions of its existence will continue to appear here for the
benefit of those looking for further sources of China travel
information, or a forum in which to discuss travel there.

Peter N-H
Moderator
The Oriental-List
http://www.datasinica.com

Yes, it is an I have subscribed to it. Most of these guys aren't
worth replying to. They act as if they're the police of the usenet,
which they're not. They're free to ignore you post if they don't want
to subscribe.

"Peter Neville-Hadley" kirjoitti
. below...
Chris Blunt wrote:

As if reporting to his ISP would do any good anyway. How many
thousands of off-topic posts get uploaded every day?

Just to be clear, the original posting under discussion is not
off-topic.

Spamming is Verboten in usenet.

Rec.travel.asia is for the purpose of discussing travel in Asia, so many
postings here mention other helpful sources of information, even some of
them, such as the Lonely Planet Thorn Tree site, entirely commercial.

You mean that Lonely Planet operatives do something like that? Screw you.

You refer to those "travel guides" you are involved in as an author. So, you
clearly use a usenet group as a spring board to profit personally. Very
wicked.

The Oriental-List is another such source, dedicated to the purpose of
discussing travel in China in particular, as it has done for the last 11
years. It permits no commercial activity, carries no advertising, and no
one gains any profit from it, so mentioning it is neither off-topic, nor

We can all see what that www entry page is about. The turd can very well use
a mailing list and stop pestering the good people of rta. I don't believe
that the faggot, those "books" or that pathetic "forum" are anything highly
praised in this group. If anyone would send their advertisements in similar
frequency, the noise would be so intense that there wouldn't be any decent
way to filter the filth.


spam. Mentions of its existence will continue to appear here for the
benefit of those looking for further sources of China travel
information, or a forum in which to discuss travel there.

I wouldn't be too sure about that buster. Sooner or later we will shoot the
faggot down. Use mailing lists instead. There should be no reason not to use
them to approach your "customers" by this well..."letter" which is fixed in
context.

On Aug 25, 9:10*pm, Markku Grönroos wrote:

I wouldn't be too sure about that buster. Sooner or later we will shoot the
faggot down. Use mailing lists instead. There should be no reason not to use
them to approach your "customers" by this well..."letter" which is fixed in
context.



******** Loonyroos, your day has come. Go away you racist rat.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:15:09 GMT, w (Peter
Neville-Hadley) wrote:

Chris Blunt wrote:

As if reporting to his ISP would do any good anyway. How many
thousands of off-topic posts get uploaded every day?

Just to be clear, the original posting under discussion is not
off-topic.

I agree it may not be off topic, but I think people get annoyed by
your constant reposting of the same message every couple of weeks. I
can find 7 copies of this posting in my inbox, and that's just since
May of this year.

Chris

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:39:06 +0200, Alfred Molon
wrote:

In article , Chris Blunt
says...

And no doubt the spammer opened another free account within a few
minutes of the one you reported being cancelled.

And as soon as he would spam again, his account would be cancelled. Not
a very efficient way to spam.

Not "as soon as". By the time someone gets tired of his spam and
reports him, and then the usenet provider finally gets around to
canceling the account, he could have sent out millions of automated
spam messages. These guys have scripts to set up multiple new accounts
for them all the time so they always have a route available to send
out their junk. Don't waste your energy, you won't keep spammers off
the net for even a second.

Chris

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:09:42 +0800, Chris Blunt
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:15:09 GMT, w (Peter
Neville-Hadley) wrote:

Chris Blunt wrote:

As if reporting to his ISP would do any good anyway. How many
thousands of off-topic posts get uploaded every day?

Just to be clear, the original posting under discussion is not
off-topic.

I agree it may not be off topic, but I think people get annoyed by
your constant reposting of the same message every couple of weeks. I
can find 7 copies of this posting in my inbox, and that's just since
May of this year.

Poor them. Posting of a perfectly fine list to read if you want is
perfectly legitimate.

In article , Chris Blunt
says...

Not "as soon as". By the time someone gets tired of his spam and
reports him, and then the usenet provider finally gets around to
canceling the account, he could have sent out millions of automated
spam messages. These guys have scripts to set up multiple new accounts
for them all the time so they always have a route available to send
out their junk. Don't waste your energy, you won't keep spammers off
the net for even a second.

We are talking about usenet spam, and there are not millions of usenet
newsgroups in the first place.

Also, free usenet accounts should be protected by captchas, so that
automated scripts do not work.

These guys disappear, i.e. stop posting from free usenet accounts
(except Google groups) after you report them.

Reaction times of the administrators are short, usually a few hours or
even less.

It's just Google Groups who don't care about spammers.
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

Chris Blunt wrote:

I agree it may not be off topic, but I think people get annoyed by
your constant reposting of the same message every couple of weeks.

That one or two individuals decide to try and prevent perfectly
legitimate postings intended for the benefit of other readers of
rec.travel.asia does surely not seem a good reason to censor useful
information. Their pointless and time-wasting rants here, containing no
logic or reasonable argument (and often foul language and homophobic and
racist comment) only serve to drive readers away from rec.travel.asia to
other web sites and lists where such postings are deleted or forbidden,
such as the very popular and commercial Thorn Tree and others. Such
postings are only encouraged by acknowledgement.

Clearly rec.travel.asia will have a large daily turnover of readers, so
postings would probably better be daily to reach them all. The frequency
with which The Oriental-List has been mentioned over the last 11 years
is a compromise, the irritation of repetition to some rational people
who may not publicly complain (perhaps because they want to post only
on-topic) being kept in mind. To this end the message is always posted
with the same subject line so regular long-term readers of
rec.travel.asia (whose numbers must be very small these days) can easily
filter it out.

This discussion is itself off-topic for rec.travel.asia, so I apologise
for contributing to it. I answer worthwhile China travel questions here
when they crop up, if I know the answers, but for several years now they
have been increasingly rare, and increasingly drowned out by a far
larger number of cross-postings, spam, flame wars, and disgustingly
worded prejudice which also certainly drown out reminders of The
Oriental-List.

The continued existence of The Oriental-List is unimportant. It was
begun back when there was no moderated forum for discussing China
travel, but now there are many. It is time-consuming and costly to
maintain (no one makes any money from it at all) and continues to exist
solely because its members want it to. Mentions of it here obviously
continue to be of interest as they still bring in new members who want
information and discussion about China in a forum that has many expert
contributors, but no spam, racism, homophobia, foul language, or indeed
anything except discussion of travel in China.

Peter N-H
Moderator
The Oriental-List
http://www.datasinica.com