Notebooks in flight

"Irwell" wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:23:15 -0600, Jim Davis wrote:

"PeterL" wrote in message
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On Nov 18, 3:00 pm, Alfred Molon wrote:
Why exactly are you not allowed to use a notebook computer during take-
off and landing? The radio power emitted by a notebook should be too
weak to cause any problems to the plane electronics.
--

Alfred Molonhttp://www.molon.de- Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe


If they want you to put everything away and store all your stuff under
you seat, why would they then allow you to hold a piece of hardware on
your lap? It may be thrown around in turbulance and hurt someone.

Everything has to be stowed as not to become a deadly flying object in
the
event of an accident. The crazy part is, you can have an infant on your
lap.

Don't worry about the infant, watch out for disposable pampers.

Kulp was one of those infants who flew through the cabin on a sudden stop.
Landed on his head. They had to remove his tongue, but the doctors replaced
it with his sphincter. That's why nothing but **** comes out when he talks.

Jim Davis wrote:
"PeterL" wrote in message
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On Nov 19, 1:54 pm, DevilsPGD wrote:
In message Alfred Molon
was claimed to have wrote:

In article 1caa1932-c33e-4c52-85c0-
, PeterL says...
If they want you to put everything away and store all your stuff under
you seat, why would they then allow you to hold a piece of hardware on
your lap? It may be thrown around in turbulance and hurt someone.
Hmmm... you are allowed to keep the notebook on your lap if it is
switched off.
Some flight attendants will permit it, but this is not formally allowed.


During take offs and landings? Or just during flight?

During take off and landings, they'll require you to stow everything. Most
of the airlines are making a point to tell you that laptops in the seatback
pouch is not allowed either.

If you watch, you'll also see the FA's taking purses and other items from
people in the bulkhead seats. They tell them the items have to be stowed
for takeoff & landing, but they can remove them from storage during the
flight.


That might be true for seats next to the emergency exits, but I have
never ever heard or seen that on any other occasion. What kind or
airline do you fly with?

Donald Newcomb wrote:
"Alfred Molon" wrote in message
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Why exactly are you not allowed to use a notebook computer during take-
off and landing? The radio power emitted by a notebook should be too
weak to cause any problems to the plane electronics.

I think the appropriate answer is, "Because the flight crew tell you not
to." I was once on a military flight where a high-ranking military officer
insisted on standing during the take off and landing. No one was going to
tell a "three star" to sit down but I think it would have been funny if the
plane had blown a tire and thrown him through the window. When a plane is
taking off or landing you are supposed to be strapped in with your tray
table and seat back up and not messing with anything that could cause injury
if "stuff" happened. It would be just my luck to be sitting in front of or
behind Alfred when the plane took a bounce and have his laptop ricochet off
the overhead and come down on top of me.

Also, while a *properly functioning* laptop might not cause any problems
with the plane's electronics, you should not attempt to assert that an
improperly functioning one would never do so. During take-off and landing
there is no time to look for and isolate the source of a problem. It's best
to be safe. I'm just glad they let us use them at all.

I don't think the plane's electronics is a problem, if anything it
might be the RF noise interference making voice communication more
difficult for the pilots. Aircraft radio still uses AM modulation.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:18:46 -0600, "Mythbuster"
wrote:


"Irwell" wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:23:15 -0600, Jim Davis wrote:

"PeterL" wrote in message
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On Nov 18, 3:00 pm, Alfred Molon wrote:
Why exactly are you not allowed to use a notebook computer during take-
off and landing? The radio power emitted by a notebook should be too
weak to cause any problems to the plane electronics.
--

Alfred Molonhttp://www.molon.de- Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe


If they want you to put everything away and store all your stuff under
you seat, why would they then allow you to hold a piece of hardware on
your lap? It may be thrown around in turbulance and hurt someone.

Everything has to be stowed as not to become a deadly flying object in
the
event of an accident. The crazy part is, you can have an infant on your
lap.

Don't worry about the infant, watch out for disposable pampers.

Kulp was one of those infants who flew through the cabin on a sudden stop.
Landed on his head. They had to remove his tongue, but the doctors replaced
it with his sphincter. That's why nothing but **** comes out when he talks.



Sure **** for brains. Explain to everyone why this crackpot who
wanted to get FAs fired for her selfish, stupid needs. You know, ****
for brains. The one where she was too cheap--no doubt like a moron
like you--to PAY for what she wanted. Stupid ****.

In article ,
Tom P wrote:

If you watch, you'll also see the FA's taking purses and other items from
people in the bulkhead seats. They tell them the items have to be stowed
for takeoff & landing, but they can remove them from storage during the
flight.


That might be true for seats next to the emergency exits, but I have
never ever heard or seen that on any other occasion. What kind or
airline do you fly with?


Sorry, I've seen this happen with bulkhead (i.e., very front row) seats
on _many_ occasions -- in fact, I'd say, near universally, whenever
there is no seat and hence no "space under the seat" in front of you.

The cabin crew will more or less universally require that computer bags,
briefcases, backpacks, maybe even sizable purses, anything down by your
feet, be stowed overhead during takeoff and during landing.

If you happen to have a small laptop out in flight, and there's a
sizable pocket for magazines on the wall in front of you, you may be
able to get away with stowing the laptop in it, or hiding it beside you,
down next to the arm rest -- or maybe even hold it on your lap -- and
you may be able to get away with not stowing it; but if they see it (and
they do look carefully), it'll have to go overhead.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:27:27 +0100, Tom P wrote:

Donald Newcomb wrote:
"Alfred Molon" wrote in message
...
Why exactly are you not allowed to use a notebook computer during take-
off and landing? The radio power emitted by a notebook should be too
weak to cause any problems to the plane electronics.

I think the appropriate answer is, "Because the flight crew tell you not
to." I was once on a military flight where a high-ranking military officer
insisted on standing during the take off and landing. No one was going to
tell a "three star" to sit down but I think it would have been funny if the
plane had blown a tire and thrown him through the window. When a plane is
taking off or landing you are supposed to be strapped in with your tray
table and seat back up and not messing with anything that could cause injury
if "stuff" happened. It would be just my luck to be sitting in front of or
behind Alfred when the plane took a bounce and have his laptop ricochet off
the overhead and come down on top of me.

Also, while a *properly functioning* laptop might not cause any problems
with the plane's electronics, you should not attempt to assert that an
improperly functioning one would never do so. During take-off and landing
there is no time to look for and isolate the source of a problem. It's best
to be safe. I'm just glad they let us use them at all.

I don't think the plane's electronics is a problem, if anything it
might be the RF noise interference making voice communication more
difficult for the pilots. Aircraft radio still uses AM modulation.

More, or less a flying Faraday Cage.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:17:18 -0800, AES wrote:

In article ,
Tom P wrote:

If you watch, you'll also see the FA's taking purses and other items from
people in the bulkhead seats. They tell them the items have to be stowed
for takeoff & landing, but they can remove them from storage during the
flight.


That might be true for seats next to the emergency exits, but I have
never ever heard or seen that on any other occasion. What kind or
airline do you fly with?


Sorry, I've seen this happen with bulkhead (i.e., very front row) seats
on _many_ occasions -- in fact, I'd say, near universally, whenever
there is no seat and hence no "space under the seat" in front of you.

The cabin crew will more or less universally require that computer bags,
briefcases, backpacks, maybe even sizable purses, anything down by your
feet, be stowed overhead during takeoff and during landing.

If you happen to have a small laptop out in flight, and there's a
sizable pocket for magazines on the wall in front of you, you may be
able to get away with stowing the laptop in it, or hiding it beside you,
down next to the arm rest -- or maybe even hold it on your lap -- and
you may be able to get away with not stowing it; but if they see it (and
they do look carefully), it'll have to go overhead.

We have flown bulkhead seats many times, and on different airlines,
and every time without exception the flight attendants have taken
our bags and purses, and stowed them in the overhead bins during take off
and landing, gets a bit paranoic for ladies to be separated from their
handbags, but everybody is strapped in anyway.

never had any problem. I will put the laptop on the floor or put in a
bag and put behind my legs if I have to...

On planes, I need to remember to kick out or disable my network card or
as it will continiously try and find a network much like a cell phone
will keep looking for a cellular tower

Irwell wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:17:18 -0800, AES wrote:

In article ,
Tom P wrote:

If you watch, you'll also see the FA's taking purses and other items from
people in the bulkhead seats. They tell them the items have to be stowed
for takeoff & landing, but they can remove them from storage during the
flight.

That might be true for seats next to the emergency exits, but I have
never ever heard or seen that on any other occasion. What kind or
airline do you fly with?

Sorry, I've seen this happen with bulkhead (i.e., very front row) seats
on _many_ occasions -- in fact, I'd say, near universally, whenever
there is no seat and hence no "space under the seat" in front of you.

The cabin crew will more or less universally require that computer bags,
briefcases, backpacks, maybe even sizable purses, anything down by your
feet, be stowed overhead during takeoff and during landing.

If you happen to have a small laptop out in flight, and there's a
sizable pocket for magazines on the wall in front of you, you may be
able to get away with stowing the laptop in it, or hiding it beside you,
down next to the arm rest -- or maybe even hold it on your lap -- and
you may be able to get away with not stowing it; but if they see it (and
they do look carefully), it'll have to go overhead.

We have flown bulkhead seats many times, and on different airlines,
and every time without exception the flight attendants have taken
our bags and purses, and stowed them in the overhead bins during take off
and landing, gets a bit paranoic for ladies to be separated from their
handbags, but everybody is strapped in anyway.


--
JOHN

888-5-analon (888-526-2566)

computers (unix admin), chemistry, and Freggs too
I make it work. X-windows, not MSW !

never a problem with laptop or GPS in my plane and anything I bring on
board, laptop, cell phone, gps, etc sits right in front of the avionics

on any airliner, you are usually a minimum of 10-15 feet from the
cockpit unless you are on a "puddle jumper" or Dash aircraft.

can you walk and chew gum ??

Pilots do that all the time{

1) talk to ATC
2) watch out for traffic
3) control the airplane
4) navigate

Irwell wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:00:02 +0100, Alfred Molon wrote:

Why exactly are you not allowed to use a notebook computer during take-
off and landing? The radio power emitted by a notebook should be too
weak to cause any problems to the plane electronics.

One notebook maybe, but 50 to 100 could cause some beat frequency
problems with the avionics.


--
JOHN

888-5-analon (888-526-2566)

computers (unix admin), chemistry, and Freggs too
I make it work. X-windows, not MSW !

"John Kulp" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:18:46 -0600, "Mythbuster"
wrote:
Kulp was one of those infants who flew through the cabin on a sudden stop.
Landed on his head. They had to remove his tongue, but the doctors
replaced
it with his sphincter. That's why nothing but **** comes out when he
talks.

Sure **** for brains. Explain to everyone why this crackpot who
wanted to get FAs fired for her selfish, stupid needs. You know, ****
for brains. The one where she was too cheap--no doubt like a moron
like you--to PAY for what she wanted. Stupid ****.

That's another thread dip****. Try to keep up. Another game on TV? Drunk
again? Figures.