Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane

On Jun 19, 6:40*am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:11:10 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:
All this is just a fancy way of saying that prior experience in a
Cessna 150 might not matter in a 767 being landed by a newbie
following detailed instruction.

Like Atta? Tell Dekker and Hilliard that.

lol
--
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Motto: Live To Spooge It!

I fail to see your point. Ata and his fellow terrorists trained
specifically in full motion simulators designed to duplicate the exact
type of aircraft they took over and flew. There were no landings
involved in their actions.

On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 05:22:25 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:

On Jun 19, 6:40*am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:11:10 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:
All this is just a fancy way of saying that prior experience in a
Cessna 150 might not matter in a 767 being landed by a newbie
following detailed instruction.

Like Atta? Tell Dekker and Hilliard that.

lol
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

I fail to see your point.

Brush up on your 9/11 history.

Ata and his fellow terrorists trained
specifically in full motion simulators designed to duplicate the exact
type of aircraft they took over and flew. There were no landings
involved in their actions.

Tell Dekker and Hilliard that. Then wait for the laugh.
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!
http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

On Jun 19, 8:33*am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 05:22:25 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:
On Jun 19, 6:40 am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:11:10 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:
All this is just a fancy way of saying that prior experience in a
Cessna 150 might not matter in a 767 being landed by a newbie
following detailed instruction.

Like Atta? Tell Dekker and Hilliard that.

lol
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

I fail to see your point.

Brush up on your 9/11 history.

Ata and his fellow terrorists trained
specifically in full motion simulators designed to duplicate the exact
type of aircraft they took over and flew. There were no landings
involved in their actions.

Tell Dekker and Hilliard that. Then wait for the laugh.
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

Ah yes. Should have caught on with the tone of your initial post.
Forgot who you are for a moment. Chalk it up to getting older.
So much for "piloting" posting today; onward now to things a bit more
productive. Have a nice day. :-)))))))

On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 05:44:51 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:

On Jun 19, 8:33*am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 05:22:25 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:
On Jun 19, 6:40 am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:11:10 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:
All this is just a fancy way of saying that prior experience in a
Cessna 150 might not matter in a 767 being landed by a newbie
following detailed instruction.

Like Atta? Tell Dekker and Hilliard that.

lol
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

I fail to see your point.

Brush up on your 9/11 history.

Ata and his fellow terrorists trained
specifically in full motion simulators designed to duplicate the exact
type of aircraft they took over and flew. There were no landings
involved in their actions.

Tell Dekker and Hilliard that. Then wait for the laugh.
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

Ah yes. Should have caught on with the tone of your initial post.
Forgot who you are for a moment. Chalk it up to getting older.
So much for "piloting" posting today; onward now to things a bit more
productive. Have a nice day. :-)))))))

Keep in mind that:

1) You don't know everything
2) Venice is in my neck of the woods, Hilliard is a neighbor and...
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!
http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

On Jun 19, 9:14*am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 05:44:51 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:
On Jun 19, 8:33 am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 05:22:25 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:
On Jun 19, 6:40 am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:11:10 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:
All this is just a fancy way of saying that prior experience in a
Cessna 150 might not matter in a 767 being landed by a newbie
following detailed instruction.

Like Atta? Tell Dekker and Hilliard that.

lol
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

I fail to see your point.

Brush up on your 9/11 history.

Ata and his fellow terrorists trained
specifically in full motion simulators designed to duplicate the exact
type of aircraft they took over and flew. There were no landings
involved in their actions.

Tell Dekker and Hilliard that. Then wait for the laugh.
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

Ah yes. Should have caught on with the tone of your initial post.
Forgot who you are for a moment. Chalk it up to getting older.
So much for "piloting" posting today; onward now to things a bit more
productive. Have a nice day. :-)))))))

Keep in mind that:

1) You don't know everything
..
.......and YOU might keep in mind that I don't HAVE to know everything.
I have a wife for that.
Have a nice day.
DH

On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:

On Jun 19, 9:14*am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 05:44:51 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:
On Jun 19, 8:33 am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 05:22:25 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:
On Jun 19, 6:40 am, Ari Silverstein wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:11:10 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:
All this is just a fancy way of saying that prior experience in a
Cessna 150 might not matter in a 767 being landed by a newbie
following detailed instruction.

Like Atta? Tell Dekker and Hilliard that.

lol
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

I fail to see your point.

Brush up on your 9/11 history.

Ata and his fellow terrorists trained
specifically in full motion simulators designed to duplicate the exact
type of aircraft they took over and flew. There were no landings
involved in their actions.

Tell Dekker and Hilliard that. Then wait for the laugh.
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

Ah yes. Should have caught on with the tone of your initial post.
Forgot who you are for a moment. Chalk it up to getting older.
So much for "piloting" posting today; onward now to things a bit more
productive. Have a nice day. :-)))))))

Keep in mind that:

1) You don't know everything
.
......and YOU might keep in mind that I don't HAVE to know everything.
I have a wife for that.

Then ask her about Huffman.
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!
http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 19:51:12 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:

Wingnut writes:

Consider who would have been landing the plane if something had caused
the pilot to also conk out, though. Then her prior flight experience
would have become quite relevant indeed.

Not necessarily.

So, you're sayign that flight experience is irrelevant to flying an
aircraft?

There are two myths that need to be dispelled, namely (1) the notion
that anyone with any piloting experience necessarily will do a better
job of getting an plane home safely in an emergency

The notion that experience at something improves one's ability at that
something is a "myth"? Since when?

(2) the notion that someone without any piloting experience would
necessarily crash the airplane.

I don't think anyone here has claimed that. Though the less someone knows
about operating an aircraft, the poorer their odds.

An experienced Cessna pilot without help over the radio will probably
get in some possibly fatal trouble

Not the scenario here. This person was a commercial pilot, not just
someone who had operated their own personal plane.

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:11:10 -0700, Dudley Henriques wrote:

All this is just a fancy way of saying that prior experience in a Cessna
150 might not matter in a 767

Who said anything about a Cessna? The original post said she had
experience as a *commercial* pilot. That tends to mean something a bit
bigger than just a personal aircraft.

Wingnut writes:

So, you're sayign that flight experience is irrelevant to flying an
aircraft?

That depends on the experience, and the aircraft. Flight experience in a
Cessna 152 will not necessarily be of any use in flying a 747 or a SR-71. The
basic principles are the same, but nothing more. Just as experience in driving
a Yugo doesn't necessarily help in driving a Formula 1 car.

The notion that experience at something improves one's ability at that
something is a "myth"? Since when?

A person with experience in a Cessna 152 still has none in a 747, and so he
will not necessarily be any more useful in a 747 cockpit than a non-pilot
would.

Pilots of small private aircraft who believe that they could just slip into a
747 cockpit and fly it are just as naive as non-pilots who believe the same
thing. To fly an airliner, you need experience and/or training in flying
airliners, not Piper Cubs.

I don't think anyone here has claimed that. Though the less someone knows
about operating an aircraft, the poorer their odds.

Yes. I've heard many people claim this, however, and it only shows that they
are uninformed.

A person with no flying experience who is compelled to take the controls of a
small aircraft without any automation runs a high risk of crashing. In a
large transport-category aircraft with heavy automation, though, he has a much
better chance of being able to land safely, if someone can give him
instructions over the radio. (Without instructions, his chances are just as
poor as they would be in the small aircraft.)

Not the scenario here. This person was a commercial pilot, not just
someone who had operated their own personal plane.

The same principle still applies to a certain extent, unless the commercial
pilot experience was in the same type of aircraft. If the FA had a CPL but had
not flown for 20 years, she may never have flown an airliner.

Wingnut writes:

Who said anything about a Cessna? The original post said she had
experience as a *commercial* pilot. That tends to mean something a bit
bigger than just a personal aircraft.

You can fly commercially in a Cessna. And unless you also have a job as a
commercial pilot in addition to the CPL, you might not ever fly anything much
larger than that.