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In article , RTCReferee
wrote: To say there is NO reason to cancel is reminds me too much of sayings like "enough said!" or other things intended to cut off discussion, as if there is no other reasonable choice that a person could or should make. They asked a question and got some answers about whether they should cancel. My summary from the replies would be there is no reason for them to cancel unless they are allergic to dogs, or are afraid of dogs. I guess also if they are bringing their own dog which does not get along with other dogs might be a reason. -- Charles |
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Duh, of course not, but their owners are....and aren't service animals a
reasonable accomodation to those passengers' disabilities? Jeff Sagittaria wrote: Dogs are not a protected class under the ADA. |
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"Danni" wrote in message ...
"Lee" wrote in message om... Soooo...first you're concerned with an ADA violation because Princess revealed to passengers that there would be blind people with service dogs on a particular cruise, and now you're bent out of shape because HAL won't divulge the info to you? Am I getting this right? Is it that you only want people with service animals to know about other people with service animals? Far as I'm concerned, if it's an invasion of privacy to tell a non-service animal passenger about the number of service animals that will be on board, it's an invasion of privacy to tell anyone, service animal or not. Since our first experience in traveling where there was another service animal resulted in that dog growling at mine, sure, why shouldn't I ask if there is another dog on board? I'm talking to the department where they would have that information. For the sole purpose of knowing what I and my dog can expect. Should you be able to call that department and ask if there are dogs on board? No. That is a violation of the ADA. Okay. Let me see if I have it straight, now. People travelling with service dogs should have the privilege of knowing about other service dogs on board but people travelling without service dogs shouldn't have that same privilege, even if it's possible that their entire vacation could be negatively affected either by severe allergies (leading to possible life-threatening asthma attacks) or fear causing them to avoid public areas where the dogs may be? Why is it okay for people with handicaps to invade the privacy of other people with handicaps, yet it's not okay for people without handicaps to do the same? I'm just not getting it, I guess. I'm not intimately familiar with the ADA, but I understood it to mean that it gave Americans with disabilities EQUAL access. What you're describing isn't equal. Personally, I love dogs...have three big babies of my own. The more dogs on board the merrier, far as I'm concerned. Wish I could bring one of mine. But, I know too many people that can't even come into my house if they want to continue breathing. Can you imagine starting a cruise vacation only to find out that breathing might become an issue, if you leave the safety of your cabin? My problem with this whole thing is that Princess has set a precedent. 11 blind people with guide dogs. Is that where it ends? If it's only 6 blind/handicapped people with guide/service dogs, will they not notify other passengers? If it's one blind guy with a dog, will they only notify the passengers on the same deck? See where this can lead? I don't think we know what the cut-off is for Princess to deem it necessary to alert their guests of the presence of so many dogs. Maybe, on a previous cruise with so many dogs, they had a medical emergency as a result of the presence of dogs, and they have to cover their butts or something, to try to prevent future mishaps. Who knows? And besides, are foreign-flagged ships even required to follow ADA guidelines? I really don't know. I know Heid is vitally important to you, but don't forget what impact she, and other service dogs, have on others. ADA protects your rights, but how about the rights of others? Lee |
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I don't want no peein, poopin dogs on my cruise(the cow does enough of
that!) haha "Lee" wrote in message om... "Danni" wrote in message ... "Lee" wrote in message om... Soooo...first you're concerned with an ADA violation because Princess revealed to passengers that there would be blind people with service dogs on a particular cruise, and now you're bent out of shape because HAL won't divulge the info to you? Am I getting this right? Is it that you only want people with service animals to know about other people with service animals? Far as I'm concerned, if it's an invasion of privacy to tell a non-service animal passenger about the number of service animals that will be on board, it's an invasion of privacy to tell anyone, service animal or not. Since our first experience in traveling where there was another service animal resulted in that dog growling at mine, sure, why shouldn't I ask if there is another dog on board? I'm talking to the department where they would have that information. For the sole purpose of knowing what I and my dog can expect. Should you be able to call that department and ask if there are dogs on board? No. That is a violation of the ADA. Okay. Let me see if I have it straight, now. People travelling with service dogs should have the privilege of knowing about other service dogs on board but people travelling without service dogs shouldn't have that same privilege, even if it's possible that their entire vacation could be negatively affected either by severe allergies (leading to possible life-threatening asthma attacks) or fear causing them to avoid public areas where the dogs may be? Why is it okay for people with handicaps to invade the privacy of other people with handicaps, yet it's not okay for people without handicaps to do the same? I'm just not getting it, I guess. I'm not intimately familiar with the ADA, but I understood it to mean that it gave Americans with disabilities EQUAL access. What you're describing isn't equal. Personally, I love dogs...have three big babies of my own. The more dogs on board the merrier, far as I'm concerned. Wish I could bring one of mine. But, I know too many people that can't even come into my house if they want to continue breathing. Can you imagine starting a cruise vacation only to find out that breathing might become an issue, if you leave the safety of your cabin? My problem with this whole thing is that Princess has set a precedent. 11 blind people with guide dogs. Is that where it ends? If it's only 6 blind/handicapped people with guide/service dogs, will they not notify other passengers? If it's one blind guy with a dog, will they only notify the passengers on the same deck? See where this can lead? I don't think we know what the cut-off is for Princess to deem it necessary to alert their guests of the presence of so many dogs. Maybe, on a previous cruise with so many dogs, they had a medical emergency as a result of the presence of dogs, and they have to cover their butts or something, to try to prevent future mishaps. Who knows? And besides, are foreign-flagged ships even required to follow ADA guidelines? I really don't know. I know Heid is vitally important to you, but don't forget what impact she, and other service dogs, have on others. ADA protects your rights, but how about the rights of others? Lee |
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"RTCReferee" wrote in message ... I'd like to see the quality go back to what it was 5-8 years ago, and I'd be happy to pay 20-50% more. Crystal. --Tom |
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"RTCReferee" wrote in message ... I'd like to see the quality go back to what it was 5-8 years ago, and I'd be happy to pay 20-50% more. Crystal. --Tom |
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Tom K wrote:
"RTCReferee" wrote in message ... I'd like to see the quality go back to what it was 5-8 years ago, and I'd be happy to pay 20-50% more. Crystal. --Tom Where have you seen a good cabin that you can select ahead of time (and at least OV, higher than promenade deck) on Crystal go for around $ 165 per day per person not in the Caribbean? The most we've paid each on our last three cruises (Star Princess, HAL Veendam and Celebrity Mercury) for those accomodations was $ 115 each per day. Two of those three cruises were in balcony cabins. |
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