With The World Environment Day Conference.....

"Jack May" enscribed:

Real world statistics are seldom Gaussian (Bell curve) Most real world

Switch and bait. You're substituting one distribution for the one being discussed.

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Feh. Mad as heck.

"Jack May" enscribed:

"Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message
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"Jack May" enscribed:

And you don't present this revolutionary theory on sci.bio because you got
tired of being laughed at?

Revolutionary? This is exactly what Darwin observed in the islands when he

Still doesn't apply to homo sapiens. No population has been so isolated for long enough to create the kind schisms you're bloviating about.

Do you have no education at all in biology and evolution?

What else did you learn at the David Duke Institute of Racialism?

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Feh. Mad as heck.

Merlin Dorfman wrote:
In ba.transportation Frank F. Matthews wrote:



Merlin Dorfman wrote:

In ba.transportation Frank F. Matthews wrote:

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I'm not getting through, am I, Stan? I keep asking you whether
we should consider this a problem (and if so whether we should try to
do something about it), or just assume it will fix itself, or just
ignore it. And you keep describing (accurately or not) the symptoms
of what I believe is a problem (and one that has, and will continue to
have, serious consequences for the problem), and whose fault it is.




OK! I'll bite. It's the problem of the local community. Thus it is
the responsibility of the community leaders. If they complain that the
kids won't listen to them then perhaps they aren't the actual leaders of
the community.


Hey, how convenient! It's somebody else's problem to solve,
and you can just wash your hands of it.


Yep.


(1) If you really believe what you said, what are you doing to
support those "community leaders" who agree with your position, e.g.,
Bill Cosby?


Any comments that I made would probably not be useful.


(2) In any case, if the "community leaders" are not making much
progress in solving the problem, is there anything the rest of the
country can or should be doing to help?



Probably nothing that would be accepted.


How neat. You can stand aside, click your tongue at what a
lousy job everybody is doing, and go about your life.
So apparently it doesn't seem to be enough of a problem to
you and your way of life to bother with.


Nope. I simply have been rejected as an outsider to the point where I
don't intend to waste any more time.

Merlin Dorfman wrote:

In ba.transportation Frank F. Matthews wrote:



Merlin Dorfman wrote:


...


I'm not getting through, am I, Stan? I keep asking you whether
we should consider this a problem (and if so whether we should try to
do something about it), or just assume it will fix itself, or just
ignore it. And you keep describing (accurately or not) the symptoms
of what I believe is a problem (and one that has, and will continue to
have, serious consequences for the problem), and whose fault it is.




OK! I'll bite. It's the problem of the local community. Thus it is
the responsibility of the community leaders. If they complain that the
kids won't listen to them then perhaps they aren't the actual leaders of
the community.


You two really disappoint me. I was expecting you to come up
with some cookie-cutter solution--break the teachers' union, or
throw all first-time drug offenders in jail for life, and that will
solve all the problems in a matter of weeks. But aparently you
just don't see the continued economic failure of this large ethnic
group as anything that we need to be concerned about.


Be concerned sure. Want to waste any time trying to interact with folks
who don't want outsider interference certainly not. You wander around
driving into walls if you want. I'm not interested.

Merlin Dorfman wrote:

In ba.transportation Frank F. Matthews wrote:



Merlin Dorfman wrote:


In ba.transportation Frank F. Matthews wrote:


Your un-American attitudes indicate that you should consider moving to
one of the more dictatorial countries where you would be more
comfortable with their traditional restrictions on political freedom.
You clearly have no liking for America.


Hmm, I saw a lot of criticism of Republicans and conservatives,
and of some individuals. Is that un-American or anti-American?
What specifically do you believe falls in those categories?


The comparison of the comments about the outrages at Gitmo to treason
pretty much does ot.


The only treason comparison I saw was that those who criticize
GTMO are giving aid and comfort to the enemy.



So take you un-American attitudes to some dictatorship where you will be
appreciated.

pigo wrote:
"L Alpert" wrote in message
...
Frank F. Matthews wrote:
Your un-American attitudes indicate that you should consider
moving to
one of the more dictatorial countries where you would be more
comfortable with their traditional restrictions on political
freedom.
You clearly have no liking for America.

From someone that can be considered a subject matter expert.....

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the
leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a
simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding
of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they
are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

This is a good place to involk "godwin"

I am just giving the opinion of someone that could be an authority on the
subject of swaying public opinion. That he was a Nazi has no bearing the
relevancy of his statement.

"L Alpert" wrote in message
...
pigo wrote:
"L Alpert" wrote in message
...
Frank F. Matthews wrote:
Your un-American attitudes indicate that you should consider
moving to
one of the more dictatorial countries where you would be more
comfortable with their traditional restrictions on political
freedom.
You clearly have no liking for America.

From someone that can be considered a subject matter expert.....

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the
leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always
a
simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy,
a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding
of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they
are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

This is a good place to involk "godwin"

I am just giving the opinion of someone that could be an authority
on the subject of swaying public opinion. That he was a Nazi has
no bearing the relevancy of his statement.

No you are comparing the Bush Admistration and conservative, right
minded folk to what you perceive as nazi thinking.

You could at least have the balls to stand up
for..........................oh wait, you're liberal. Nevermind.

In ba.transportation Frank F. Matthews wrote:


Merlin Dorfman wrote:

In ba.transportation Frank F. Matthews wrote:



Merlin Dorfman wrote:


In ba.transportation Frank F. Matthews wrote:


Your un-American attitudes indicate that you should consider moving to
one of the more dictatorial countries where you would be more
comfortable with their traditional restrictions on political freedom.
You clearly have no liking for America.


Hmm, I saw a lot of criticism of Republicans and conservatives,
and of some individuals. Is that un-American or anti-American?
What specifically do you believe falls in those categories?


The comparison of the comments about the outrages at Gitmo to treason
pretty much does ot.


The only treason comparison I saw was that those who criticize
GTMO are giving aid and comfort to the enemy.



So take you un-American attitudes to some dictatorship where you will be
appreciated.

Are you under the delusion that I (or other "lefty libs")
believe it is treasonous to criticize GTMO? Those comments seem
to come from "righty cons" which is why I am so puzzled that you
took offense (as in accusing of "un-American attitudes") which is
how this sub-thread originated.

In ba.transportation Jack May wrote:

"Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message
...
"Jack May" enscribed:

And you don't present this revolutionary theory on sci.bio because you got
tired of being laughed at?

Revolutionary? This is exactly what Darwin observed in the islands when he
developed his theory of evolution. This is what his book was all about in
the 19th Century.

Do you have no education at all in biology and evolution?

Look up "Social Darwinism." Or are you under the delusion that
you invented this pseudo-science?

In ba.transportation Jack May wrote:

"Merlin Dorfman" wrote in message
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In ba.transportation Jack May wrote:
There is no possible application of this theory that would
account for more than 2 to 3 IQ points in the average for different
races; even "The Bell Curve" does not claim any more. And there must
be a huge overlap, so that the probability of a person of one race
picked at random being more intelligent than one of another race
also picked at random is very, very close to 50%.

Real world statistics are seldom Gaussian (Bell curve) Most real world
statistics are power law with a distribution such as 1/X^C where C is a
constant. They are called heavy tail distributions because very large
variation have a far higher probability than Gaussian tails.

Human capabilities in all areas of endeavor are power law. The curves show
that the top 1% for example produce five times more than the average person.
The bottom 20% produces almost nothing. That is why you see the extreme
people for example make many times more or accomplishing many times more
than the average person.

The same distribution applies to lines of code written, touch downs made,
enemy aircraft shot down, and innovations.

I've seen the "long tails" theory, but I would hardly state it
as fact at this point; especially if you claim the characteristics
of the tails are different for different racial groups. That's way
beyond the frontiers of anything that's been investigated.

A Gaussian distribution is seen when many independent things are added
together

This is called the Law of Large Numbers or the Central Limit
Theorem, and of course it does require that the samples are
independent.

(or in simple homework problems) :-). When many things interact
with each other, especially in a non-linear way, you get power law
statistics. Fractals are power law distributions for example.