Its too late to avert Global warming now

Tchiowa wrote:
yansimon52 wrote:
You forgot to add in the few million barrels of crude oil that had been
sucked out daily from the earth's inner core will certainly create a
nos of 'pocket vacuum' in the inner core, across the globe.
Evidently, its already happening where there are a number of small
islands somewhere in the Pacific Ocean that simply disappeared
overnight.

Are you completely out of your mind? Do you have any concept at all how
the process works?


Its a matter of time where, either Planet Earth's position would be
'pushed' to take over the position of Planet Mars where, a new planet
is born, out from the Mighty Sun or our whole Solar System would be
perished (destroyed) like a 'falling star' we usually see during
nighttime.
Why not?.......afterall, the Infinite Universe is dominated with
billion of stars which is, actually a Solar Sun in its own
rights..........then, all religions would be buried along with
it..........so where got the story of Jesus, Buddha,
Muhamad/Allah.....you can forget about them.....story
closed........LOL............LOL............


wrote:
It's too late to avert global warming

January 21, 2007

By TOM WATKINS

It's too late.

Yes, it is. Of course, it was "too late" a few billion years ago when
the Earth was formed. It has had a cyclical climate change for as far
back as we can study and nothing man can do will change that.

A very poorly written piece.

The first paragraph points out that whatever the US did, worldwide CO2
emmissions from China and India would swamp any effort in the US. Then the
rest of the piece talks about why it is vital that the US does something,
even though the intro identifies the main culprits as overseas. Its a stupid
open paragraph, because it misrepresents the main argument.




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It's too late to avert global warming

January 21, 2007

By TOM WATKINS

It's too late. Certainly it is time to start to fix the damage but it
is too late to avert the coming climatic changes. India and China are
just beginning their industrial revolution and are increasing their
demand for power and transportation. And their populations are eight
times that of the United States (over 2.4 billion people). Even if they
were to cut their emissions to only 25 percent of what we produce now
(very unlikely), that would still be more than twice the pollution the
United States created. This doesn't even consider the billion and a
half other people in Africa, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and many
parts of Mexico, South and Central America (and growing by 80 million
per year) that have yet to hit their peak of industrial pollution.

As the predominant contributor of the greenhouse gases and the richest
economy in the world, you would think that our political leaders would
want to lead the world by setting examples and investing in the
technologies needed. That won't happen as long as our government is
dominated by politicians who owe their allegiance to their largest
campaign contributors.

We are now considering 7 percent to 9 percent emissions reductions over
the next 10 years, but other occurring and developing events will
drastically overwhelm that small effort. Here are a few events with
tremendous momentum that won't stop without emission reductions of 80
percent or 95 percent:

# 14 percent of the permanent sea ice melted in only two years
(Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 33, L17501);

# 16,200 square kilometers of ice shelves (Larsen, Wilkins and Larsen
B) have broken off and are melting - more than any other time in
recorded history;

# The Alaskan and Siberian tundras are melting. This has begun a
process of runaway feedback heating effect caused by the heat absorbed
by the darker exposed ground (Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences, vol. 103, p. 14288);

# When the tundra heats up just one more degree centigrade, it will
release as much as 70,000 million of tons of methane from the thawing
peat - the most powerful greenhouse gas. (Nature, vol. 443, p. 71).

# The northern latitudes of Canada, Alaska and Siberia are experiencing
insect infestations (bark beetles, moths, etc.) that are wiping out
thousands of acres of trees and creating forest fires on a scale not
seen in modern times.

# Jet contrails, Pinatubo, El Chichon, Mount St. Helens and other
contributors to high-level atmospheric light scattering have masked the
actual warming of the troposphere for over 20 years. (LLNL Program for
Climate Model Diagnosis, 1-1/2-8/2001)

# Each year, deforestation contributes 23 to 30 percent of all carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere and we are losing the rainforests at a rate
of one and a half acres per second - 1 percent per year. Twenty
percent of the world's oxygen is produced by the conversion of carbon
dioxide. An increasing cycle of unsustainable regeneration has begun
that will push the rain forests to the point of no return in 10 to 15
years. (James Alcock, Geology Society of London in Edinburgh, June
2001)

# Most continuous or repeated global warming studies that date back
more than a decade have resulted in corrections to the rate of warming,
melting and other effects. Sea ice, glacier loss, sea-level rise, fresh
water loss, insect populations, bird migrations and carbon loss rates
have all been accelerated to a faster rate since their first studies.



These and many more effects of global warming have physical and
causation momentum that cannot be stopped or even slowed in the short
term (less than 10 years). Given the inevitable future actions of the
billions of people in the developing world, the total lack of will on
the part of our political leaders and the disregard for our future from
powerful commercial interests, it's already too late.

Although we should strive to begin to move out of the discovery mode
and into the correction phase, realistically, that will take decades.
By then the effects will be upon us. If we do not begin to identify
mitigating responses before they begin, we will suffer massively while
we adjust to the changes after they create serious problems.

Tom Watkins, a decision supports analyst, lives in Montpelier.

It is better the whole earth just disappear itself tomorrow,
that will surely end all the quarrels and fighting in this evil world.

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It's too late to avert global warming

January 21, 2007

By TOM WATKINS

It's too late. Certainly it is time to start to fix the damage but it
is too late to avert the coming climatic changes. India and China are
just beginning their industrial revolution and are increasing their
demand for power and transportation. And their populations are eight
times that of the United States (over 2.4 billion people). Even if they
were to cut their emissions to only 25 percent of what we produce now
(very unlikely), that would still be more than twice the pollution the
United States created. This doesn't even consider the billion and a
half other people in Africa, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and many
parts of Mexico, South and Central America (and growing by 80 million
per year) that have yet to hit their peak of industrial pollution.

As the predominant contributor of the greenhouse gases and the richest
economy in the world, you would think that our political leaders would
want to lead the world by setting examples and investing in the
technologies needed. That won't happen as long as our government is
dominated by politicians who owe their allegiance to their largest
campaign contributors.

We are now considering 7 percent to 9 percent emissions reductions over
the next 10 years, but other occurring and developing events will
drastically overwhelm that small effort. Here are a few events with
tremendous momentum that won't stop without emission reductions of 80
percent or 95 percent:

# 14 percent of the permanent sea ice melted in only two years
(Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 33, L17501);

# 16,200 square kilometers of ice shelves (Larsen, Wilkins and Larsen
B) have broken off and are melting - more than any other time in
recorded history;

# The Alaskan and Siberian tundras are melting. This has begun a
process of runaway feedback heating effect caused by the heat absorbed
by the darker exposed ground (Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences, vol. 103, p. 14288);

# When the tundra heats up just one more degree centigrade, it will
release as much as 70,000 million of tons of methane from the thawing
peat - the most powerful greenhouse gas. (Nature, vol. 443, p. 71).

# The northern latitudes of Canada, Alaska and Siberia are experiencing
insect infestations (bark beetles, moths, etc.) that are wiping out
thousands of acres of trees and creating forest fires on a scale not
seen in modern times.

# Jet contrails, Pinatubo, El Chichon, Mount St. Helens and other
contributors to high-level atmospheric light scattering have masked the
actual warming of the troposphere for over 20 years. (LLNL Program for
Climate Model Diagnosis, 1-1/2-8/2001)

# Each year, deforestation contributes 23 to 30 percent of all carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere and we are losing the rainforests at a rate
of one and a half acres per second - 1 percent per year. Twenty
percent of the world's oxygen is produced by the conversion of carbon
dioxide. An increasing cycle of unsustainable regeneration has begun
that will push the rain forests to the point of no return in 10 to 15
years. (James Alcock, Geology Society of London in Edinburgh, June
2001)

# Most continuous or repeated global warming studies that date back
more than a decade have resulted in corrections to the rate of warming,
melting and other effects. Sea ice, glacier loss, sea-level rise, fresh
water loss, insect populations, bird migrations and carbon loss rates
have all been accelerated to a faster rate since their first studies.



These and many more effects of global warming have physical and
causation momentum that cannot be stopped or even slowed in the short
term (less than 10 years). Given the inevitable future actions of the
billions of people in the developing world, the total lack of will on
the part of our political leaders and the disregard for our future from
powerful commercial interests, it's already too late.

Although we should strive to begin to move out of the discovery mode
and into the correction phase, realistically, that will take decades.
By then the effects will be upon us. If we do not begin to identify
mitigating responses before they begin, we will suffer massively while
we adjust to the changes after they create serious problems.

Tom Watkins, a decision supports analyst, lives in Montpelier.

Nadia Aqui wrote:
On:36:15 -0800, "Toby" said:

Global warming is a natural cyclic process perpetuated by plate
tectonics and continental shift.

Documentary evidence suggests that during the Laki fissure eruption,
Iceland, in the summer of 1783, 15 cubic kilometres of material was
ejected from the fissure. The quantities of sulphur dioxide and
flourine alone would outstrip by many orders of magnitude any effects
of Europes industrial contribution to global warming. Likewise, other
volcanic activity around the world over the last 250 years (Krakatoa,
Mount St Helens, etc,etc) contribute an enormous amount of heat
diffusing gasses in the atmosphere.

The argument above sounds like pointing out that famine and pestilence
have killed millions as some sort of disregard of a pogram that kills a
few million here and there.

When you factor in such naturally-occuring circumstances alongside
choking the life out of the planet by industrial activity, it really
does look like all is long lost.

The report made the assumption that all the other rising economies
in asia will follow the development model of the west where growth is
the only way towards development. We often forget that if we reduce our
demand it is equivalent to growth. Demand stimulates growth and growth
feeds demand in an endless cycle of mindless progress. If we reduce our
wants more can be spread around to more people. We need a new mindset,
a new model of development that encompasses a balance of the material,
mental and spiritual. A new index of growth has to be developed.

The alternative is as bad as it is projected and frictions between
nations would increase. War for oil and water will increase.

"NotImportant" wrote in message
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Nadia Aqui wrote:
On:36:15 -0800, "Toby" said:

Global warming is a natural cyclic process perpetuated by plate
tectonics and continental shift.

Documentary evidence suggests that during the Laki fissure eruption,
Iceland, in the summer of 1783, 15 cubic kilometres of material was
ejected from the fissure. The quantities of sulphur dioxide and
flourine alone would outstrip by many orders of magnitude any effects
of Europes industrial contribution to global warming. Likewise, other
volcanic activity around the world over the last 250 years (Krakatoa,
Mount St Helens, etc,etc) contribute an enormous amount of heat
diffusing gasses in the atmosphere.

The argument above sounds like pointing out that famine and pestilence
have killed millions as some sort of disregard of a pogram that kills a
few million here and there.

When you factor in such naturally-occuring circumstances alongside
choking the life out of the planet by industrial activity, it really
does look like all is long lost.

The report made the assumption that all the other rising economies
in asia will follow the development model of the west where growth is
the only way towards development. We often forget that if we reduce our
demand it is equivalent to growth. Demand stimulates growth and growth
feeds demand in an endless cycle of mindless progress. If we reduce our
wants more can be spread around to more people. We need a new mindset,
a new model of development that encompasses a balance of the material,
mental and spiritual. A new index of growth has to be developed.

The alternative is as bad as it is projected and frictions between
nations would increase. War for oil and water will increase.




True, that's why Speedy-Grow Chemicals were used in US products.

and the result? we get FAT quickly, and we die quickly too, 39 yrs old's
face Heart Attack, Obesity, Diabetes, Cancer, etc..

"Tchiowa" wrote ...

It's too late.

Yes, it is. Of course, it was "too late" a few billion years ago when the
Earth was formed. It has had a cyclical climate change for as far back as
we can study and nothing man can do will change that.

Cyclical climate change is not the point of contention, and neither your nor
anybody else's glib denials of anthropogenic additions to the problems
constitute evidentiary based reportage.



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you have a reading deficiency?

"Peter Webb" wrote in message
u...
A very poorly written piece.

The first paragraph points out that whatever the US did, worldwide CO2
emmissions from China and India would swamp any effort in the US.

In your mind when something is larger than something else, one 'swamps' the
other?
(one 'm' in emissions, BTW)

Then the
rest of the piece talks about why it is vital that the US does something,
even though the intro identifies the main culprits as overseas.

'main culprits'?
Only the FUTURE 'main culprits'

qAs the predominant contributor of the greenhouse gases and the richest
economy in the world, /q
Both true.
qyou would think that our political leaders would want to lead the world
by setting examples and investing in the technologies needed./q

One would *hope,* but as the article correctly points out:
qThat won't happen as long as our government is dominated by politicians
who owe their allegiance to their largest campaign contributors./q
. .. the expectation "you would think" is unsupported--au contraire.

Its a stupid open paragraph, because it misrepresents the main argument.

Hardly, while your own misrepresentation of the article is what--a reasoned
argument?
;~)

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It's too late to avert global warming

January 21, 2007

By TOM WATKINS

It's too late. Certainly it is time to start to fix the damage but it
is too late to avert the coming climatic changes. India and China are
just beginning their industrial revolution and are increasing their
demand for power and transportation. And their populations are eight
times that of the United States (over 2.4 billion people). Even if they
were to cut their emissions to only 25 percent of what we produce now
(very unlikely), that would still be more than twice the pollution the
United States created. This doesn't even consider the billion and a
half other people in Africa, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and many
parts of Mexico, South and Central America (and growing by 80 million
per year) that have yet to hit their peak of industrial pollution.

As the predominant contributor of the greenhouse gases and the richest
economy in the world, you would think that our political leaders would
want to lead the world by setting examples and investing in the
technologies needed. That won't happen as long as our government is
dominated by politicians who owe their allegiance to their largest
campaign contributors.

We are now considering 7 percent to 9 percent emissions reductions over
the next 10 years, but other occurring and developing events will
drastically overwhelm that small effort. Here are a few events with
tremendous momentum that won't stop without emission reductions of 80
percent or 95 percent:

# 14 percent of the permanent sea ice melted in only two years
(Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 33, L17501);

# 16,200 square kilometers of ice shelves (Larsen, Wilkins and Larsen
B) have broken off and are melting - more than any other time in
recorded history;

# The Alaskan and Siberian tundras are melting. This has begun a
process of runaway feedback heating effect caused by the heat absorbed
by the darker exposed ground (Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences, vol. 103, p. 14288);

# When the tundra heats up just one more degree centigrade, it will
release as much as 70,000 million of tons of methane from the thawing
peat - the most powerful greenhouse gas. (Nature, vol. 443, p. 71).

# The northern latitudes of Canada, Alaska and Siberia are experiencing
insect infestations (bark beetles, moths, etc.) that are wiping out
thousands of acres of trees and creating forest fires on a scale not
seen in modern times.

# Jet contrails, Pinatubo, El Chichon, Mount St. Helens and other
contributors to high-level atmospheric light scattering have masked the
actual warming of the troposphere for over 20 years. (LLNL Program for
Climate Model Diagnosis, 1-1/2-8/2001)

# Each year, deforestation contributes 23 to 30 percent of all carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere and we are losing the rainforests at a rate
of one and a half acres per second - 1 percent per year. Twenty
percent of the world's oxygen is produced by the conversion of carbon
dioxide. An increasing cycle of unsustainable regeneration has begun
that will push the rain forests to the point of no return in 10 to 15
years. (James Alcock, Geology Society of London in Edinburgh, June
2001)

# Most continuous or repeated global warming studies that date back
more than a decade have resulted in corrections to the rate of warming,
melting and other effects. Sea ice, glacier loss, sea-level rise, fresh
water loss, insect populations, bird migrations and carbon loss rates
have all been accelerated to a faster rate since their first studies.



These and many more effects of global warming have physical and
causation momentum that cannot be stopped or even slowed in the short
term (less than 10 years). Given the inevitable future actions of the
billions of people in the developing world, the total lack of will on
the part of our political leaders and the disregard for our future from
powerful commercial interests, it's already too late.

Although we should strive to begin to move out of the discovery mode
and into the correction phase, realistically, that will take decades.
By then the effects will be upon us. If we do not begin to identify
mitigating responses before they begin, we will suffer massively while
we adjust to the changes after they create serious problems.

Tom Watkins, a decision supports analyst, lives in Montpelier.






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The problem Russian scientist sees is a Solar 24 cycle that happened 400
years ago, now approaching, this problem happened to manifested greatly in
America which is a coincidence of the cold pressure and swift the heat
current to USA.

I say it's both, the CO2 pollutions and the earth is getting closer to the
Sun. How do I know this? I measured its time scale with old data from
NASA, Most people will die in 2011-2012. People living near North Pole will
die first, for example Russia, China, Canada, 1/2 USA, Europe etc.. Even if
you think we can solve the global warning, we still will face the Solar
Flares, I think we will wake up with No internet, No communication
whatsoever. I think it's going to get hotter at north Pole, magnetic field
will switch direction (North will become South), this could be a revenge
from Mr. Pluto, because USA degraded his name, Pluto will change any one who
is arrogant... (Just kidding on this part!, it's going to be a big surprise
to all mankind, Keep fighting one another people, for oil or money or for
whatever then the time or Solar flare will come no matter what.



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It's too late to avert global warming

January 21, 2007

By TOM WATKINS

It's too late. Certainly it is time to start to fix the damage but it
is too late to avert the coming climatic changes. India and China are
just beginning their industrial revolution and are increasing their
demand for power and transportation. And their populations are eight
times that of the United States (over 2.4 billion people). Even if they
were to cut their emissions to only 25 percent of what we produce now
(very unlikely), that would still be more than twice the pollution the
United States created. This doesn't even consider the billion and a
half other people in Africa, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and many
parts of Mexico, South and Central America (and growing by 80 million
per year) that have yet to hit their peak of industrial pollution.

As the predominant contributor of the greenhouse gases and the richest
economy in the world, you would think that our political leaders would
want to lead the world by setting examples and investing in the
technologies needed. That won't happen as long as our government is
dominated by politicians who owe their allegiance to their largest
campaign contributors.

We are now considering 7 percent to 9 percent emissions reductions over
the next 10 years, but other occurring and developing events will
drastically overwhelm that small effort. Here are a few events with
tremendous momentum that won't stop without emission reductions of 80
percent or 95 percent:

# 14 percent of the permanent sea ice melted in only two years
(Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 33, L17501);

# 16,200 square kilometers of ice shelves (Larsen, Wilkins and Larsen
B) have broken off and are melting - more than any other time in
recorded history;

# The Alaskan and Siberian tundras are melting. This has begun a
process of runaway feedback heating effect caused by the heat absorbed
by the darker exposed ground (Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences, vol. 103, p. 14288);

# When the tundra heats up just one more degree centigrade, it will
release as much as 70,000 million of tons of methane from the thawing
peat - the most powerful greenhouse gas. (Nature, vol. 443, p. 71).

# The northern latitudes of Canada, Alaska and Siberia are experiencing
insect infestations (bark beetles, moths, etc.) that are wiping out
thousands of acres of trees and creating forest fires on a scale not
seen in modern times.

# Jet contrails, Pinatubo, El Chichon, Mount St. Helens and other
contributors to high-level atmospheric light scattering have masked the
actual warming of the troposphere for over 20 years. (LLNL Program for
Climate Model Diagnosis, 1-1/2-8/2001)

# Each year, deforestation contributes 23 to 30 percent of all carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere and we are losing the rainforests at a rate
of one and a half acres per second - 1 percent per year. Twenty
percent of the world's oxygen is produced by the conversion of carbon
dioxide. An increasing cycle of unsustainable regeneration has begun
that will push the rain forests to the point of no return in 10 to 15
years. (James Alcock, Geology Society of London in Edinburgh, June
2001)

# Most continuous or repeated global warming studies that date back
more than a decade have resulted in corrections to the rate of warming,
melting and other effects. Sea ice, glacier loss, sea-level rise, fresh
water loss, insect populations, bird migrations and carbon loss rates
have all been accelerated to a faster rate since their first studies.



These and many more effects of global warming have physical and
causation momentum that cannot be stopped or even slowed in the short
term (less than 10 years). Given the inevitable future actions of the
billions of people in the developing world, the total lack of will on
the part of our political leaders and the disregard for our future from
powerful commercial interests, it's already too late.

Although we should strive to begin to move out of the discovery mode
and into the correction phase, realistically, that will take decades.
By then the effects will be upon us. If we do not begin to identify
mitigating responses before they begin, we will suffer massively while
we adjust to the changes after they create serious problems.

Tom Watkins, a decision supports analyst, lives in Montpelier.

JakTheHammer wrote:

Keep fighting one another people, for oil or money or for
whatever then the time or Solar flare will come no matter what.


might i suggest onanism as an alternative attempt to achieve a sense of
a modicum of control over your life? but, whatever, it's up to you...
and the solar fairies, i guess...


michael

"michael" wrote in message
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JakTheHammer wrote:

Keep fighting one another people, for oil or money or for
whatever then the time of Solar flare will come no matter what.


might i suggest onanism as an alternative attempt to achieve a sense of
a modicum of control over your life? but, whatever, it's up to you...
and the solar fairies, i guess...


michael


Here you go if you still think I'm joking:

http://www.solarcycle24.com/oval.htm