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L.A. -- Orange Cty toll road questions?
Hey, all:
I have to make a quick trip to the Murrietta area in the next few days, on I-15, south of Lake Elsinore. Then, I have to jog back to Lake Forest -- sort of near Irvine/Laguna Hills where the 405 and 5 come together. I need some help. Things have changed since I used to travel down in that area. I am pretty good in the Long Beach, Pasadena, LA areas. And I can find my way from Burbank Airport to Murrietta, but I was doing one of the internet map services to find how to get to Lake Forest from Murrietta. They give some directions that basically say take I-15 to 91 and then get on something called the SR 241-- The Eastern Transportation Corridor, which is apparently a toll Road? I only stay on it for a short distance and then get off it and then get on some other toll road -- SR 133 -- I stay on SR 41 for 11 miles and then SR 133 for 3 miles. I've never driven these things and am a bit leary. I was wondering about taking Hwy 74, the Ortega highway, which I seem to remember doing decades ago. This will be a Saturday evening, probably about 7 p.m. or so....any recommendations, blessings, prayers? LOL |
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wrote in message oups.com... Hey, all: I have to make a quick trip to the Murrietta area in the next few days, on I-15, south of Lake Elsinore. Then, I have to jog back to Lake Forest -- sort of near Irvine/Laguna Hills where the 405 and 5 come together. I need some help. Things have changed since I used to travel down in that area. I am pretty good in the Long Beach, Pasadena, LA areas. And I can find my way from Burbank Airport to Murrietta, but I was doing one of the internet map services to find how to get to Lake Forest from Murrietta. They give some directions that basically say take I-15 to 91 and then get on something called the SR 241-- The Eastern Transportation Corridor, which is apparently a toll Road? I only stay on it for a short distance and then get off it and then get on some other toll road -- SR 133 -- I stay on SR 41 for 11 miles and then SR 133 for 3 miles. I've never driven these things and am a bit leary. I was wondering about taking Hwy 74, the Ortega highway, which I seem to remember doing decades ago. This will be a Saturday evening, probably about 7 p.m. or so....any recommendations, blessings, prayers? LOL No a problem, unless you want to take the long way around. Just carry plenty of quarters. |
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I would not drive the Ortega Highway at night!
The main problem with the toll roads is that you often need exact change, but I think if you are driving the entire length of the toll road, there will be toll booth where you won't need exact change. DKM On 23 Feb 2005 11:01:22 -0800, wrote: Hey, all: I have to make a quick trip to the Murrietta area in the next few days, on I-15, south of Lake Elsinore. snip I've never driven these things and am a bit leary. I was wondering about taking Hwy 74, the Ortega highway, which I seem to remember doing decades ago. This will be a Saturday evening, probably about 7 p.m. or so....any recommendations, blessings, prayers? LOL To contact me directly, send EMAIL to (single letters all) DEE_KAY_EMM AT EarthLink.net. [For example .] |
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Hola, everyone
Thanks for the answers. If I remember right, the Ortega is also known as the serial killer dumping ground. HA HA. Not funny really, but in the old days, it was the highway to take. And considering it has been a long time since I lived down there.... Anyway, guess I will have to try out the toll system....a new experience for me. I remember when the term "freeway" really meant something.....of course, I moved out of the L.A. area pretty early on, but if anyone goes way back, I remember the traffic reporter who the "sigalerts" are named after. So, thanks, again. I guess this old dog will have to learn new tricks....I really don't remember the Ortega being that bad, but I'm talking 35 years ago or more.... |
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Actually, the name relates to "free" as in no toll. That was the big
"selling point" when they started building them.... http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/america...76.2geyer.html |
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I remember when the term "freeway" really meant something
The meaning hasn't changed: A way free of cross traffic. Actually, the name relates to "free" as in no toll. That was the big "selling point" when they started building them.... http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/america...76.2geyer.html However, if you look in the big Oxford English Dictionary, you'll find actual early uses cited, where the meaning is explained, and there's nothing about tolls. That beats one writer's idea of what he thinks the word "clearly" meant. This is off-topic for the newsgroup, so let's stop now, okay? -- Mark Brader, Toronto | "It was too crazy to be true, | and too crazy to be false." --Tom Clancy |
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(Mark Brader) wrote in :
I remember when the term "freeway" really meant something The meaning hasn't changed: A way free of cross traffic. Actually, the name relates to "free" as in no toll. That was the big "selling point" when they started building them.... http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/america...76.2geyer.html However, if you look in the big Oxford English Dictionary, you'll find actual early uses cited, where the meaning is explained, and there's nothing about tolls. That beats one writer's idea of what he thinks the word "clearly" meant. This is off-topic for the newsgroup, so let's stop now, okay? 1. it is about traveling the California highway system and what to expect. 2. it is about whether one can anticipate tolls based uponthe nomenclature of the highway. 3. For many of us in the 50's Freeway certainly meant as opposed to the tollways that one encountered in NewYork New jersey and elsewhere in the east. The west was a whole new place where the fast limited access ways were not only superhighways, but FREE! |
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jcoulter wrote:
For many of us in the 50's Freeway certainly meant as opposed to the tollways that one encountered in NewYork New jersey and elsewhere in the east. The west was a whole new place where the fast limited access ways were not only superhighways, but FREE! That's an Eastern point of view, not ours. Toll roads, obviously not gratis, are freeways, i.e., ways free of cross traffic. The primary difference 'tween our freeways and theirs is the tolls. We had some toll roads in Century XIX (Tejon Pass is probably the best known) but I think none 'til the late Twentieth when one invaded the SouthLand. Of course I had heard of "turnpikes" but didn't really know what they were until I hit the Will Rogers on m'way to New York in the early '60s. I didn't get it (still don't). Those states with toll roads have gasoline taxes similar to ours. Until recently, those taxes paid for our roads' construction and maintenance. Of late, however, the roads aren't as well maintained as they were. I don't know where the money goes. No, it's not Arnold's fault; the problem precedes his Administration. __________________________________________________ __________ Southern California's Four Seasons: Earthquake, Mudslide, Brushfire, and Riot http://geocities.com/dancefest/ http://geocities.com/iconoc/ ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/19098103 IClast at SFbay Net |
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that wrote in
article .com: Actually, the name relates to "free" as in no toll. That was the big "selling point" when they started building them.... http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/america...76.2geyer.html Actually, according to Webster as early as 1973, you're both right: "1: an expressway with fully controlled access 2: a toll-free highway." Growing up in California I only ever heard the second usage. OTOH, the California Streets and Highways Code says "23.5. "Freeway" means a highway in respect to which the owners of abutting lands have no right or easement of access to or from their abutting lands or in respect to which such owners have only limited or restricted right or easement of access. If, in the judgment of the commission or the director, the public interest would be advanced thereby, a freeway, as defined herein may be denominated a "controlled access highway". In all other respects said "controlled access highway" shall be subject to all provisions of this code pertaining to freeways." http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/oppd/pdpm/c...24/chapt24.htm -- Don |
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