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Greek Child Murderer tries to wriggle away from justice
"tim(yet another new home)" wrote in message ... The hotel manager, owner and two maintenance staff face up to five years in jail if convicted of manslaughter. This is the sort of nonsence that used to happen in the UK. Each blames the other and no-one is convicted. Now the rules in the UK have been changed so the responsibility is farely and squarely with the owner. Unless the other parties have done something stupid, like falsified the test certificate or similar, they stand no chance of geting put in the dock, which IMHO is how it should be. Why? If it was the manager's job to ensure the tests are carried out, and he didn't, then why is the owner responsible? If I own shares in a company that kills someone due to negligent management, do I and the other shareholders get prosecuted rather than the company's management? I was thinking, working owner (which this person appears to be), not shareholders in a PLC Why does he have a manager then? What if the owner had no involvment in the day to day running of the hotel? What if the owner popped in twice a year to check all was OK but left everything else to the manager? What if he popped in once a month? What if he put in the manager's job description that all the necessary tests should be carried out, but the manager didn't? -- Andy |
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Idiot and racist TURKISH TROLL exposes once again his RACSIM and hatred.
Ο "tim(yet another new home)" έγραψε στο μήνυμα
... "Andy Pandy" wrote in message ... "tim(yet another new home)" wrote in message ... The hotel manager, owner and two maintenance staff face up to five years in jail if convicted of manslaughter. This is the sort of nonsence that used to happen in the UK. Each blames the other and no-one is convicted. Now the rules in the UK have been changed so the responsibility is farely and squarely with the owner. Unless the other parties have done something stupid, like falsified the test certificate or similar, they stand no chance of geting put in the dock, which IMHO is how it should be. Why? If it was the manager's job to ensure the tests are carried out, and he didn't, then why is the owner responsible? If I own shares in a company that kills someone due to negligent management, do I and the other shareholders get prosecuted rather than the company's management? I was thinking, working owner (which this person appears to be), not shareholders in a PLC ??? How can you say that? The hotel is part of an international chain of hotels, the Louis hotels! It is not a "working owner" case! -- E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi puttane! F.d.A Coins, travels and mo http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html |
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Idiot and racist TURKISH TROLL exposes once again his RACSIM and hatred.
Ο "Sarah Banick" έγραψε στο μήνυμα
. .. Why? If it was the manager's job to ensure the tests are carried out, and he didn't, then why is the owner responsible? If I own shares in a company that kills someone due to negligent management, do I and the other shareholders get prosecuted rather than the company's management? Theoretically, the shareholders should lose value of their shares. But, at least in US corporations, the legal structure of the corporation places that final responsibilty in management -- the Board members who are elected by the shareholders. They are all insured in case of this. Same is valid here in Greece. But was the hotel a corporation, or just a small business? An international hotel chain, the Luis hotels of Cypriot ownership IIRC. I have stayed in that hotel about 3-4 years ago in an April with the occasion of the Orthodox Easter (Corfu is maybe destination number 1 for the Greeks who want a small vacation with the occasion of Easter...) and I can say that it's a 5 stars hotel. Nevertheless s*** happen even in the best families as a Greek saying goes... If it is a small business, the owner is responsible, because he/she hired the manager to represent him/her. The buck stops here. Of course, I'm making comments based on US concepts that are probably useless in Greece, so I'll shut up now. No, you are doing well to expose your opinion so everybody can learn from people living miles away:-) Just disregard the Turkish TROLL who posted the original message, racist idiots full of hatred there are in every country, this one happens to be a Turk... -- E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi puttane! F.d.A Coins, travels and mo http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html |
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Greek Child Murderer tries to wriggle away from justice
"tim(yet another new home)" wrote in message ... "Andy Pandy" wrote in message ... "tim(yet another new home)" wrote in message ... The hotel manager, owner and two maintenance staff face up to five years in jail if convicted of manslaughter. This is the sort of nonsence that used to happen in the UK. Each blames the other and no-one is convicted. Now the rules in the UK have been changed so the responsibility is farely and squarely with the owner. Unless the other parties have done something stupid, like falsified the test certificate or similar, they stand no chance of geting put in the dock, which IMHO is how it should be. Why? If it was the manager's job to ensure the tests are carried out, and he didn't, then why is the owner responsible? If I own shares in a company that kills someone due to negligent management, do I and the other shareholders get prosecuted rather than the company's management? I was thinking, working owner (which this person appears to be), not shareholders in a PLC tim as an example, if you had your car passed on an MOT then a couple of days later your track rod end came adrift causing your car to steer onto the pavement and kill 2 or 3 pedestrians who is to blame --- i say the tester as he confirmed that the vehicle was roadworthy and there is no way in that short time span that part could have worn to that degree. so on this basis the technitian should be blamed for the hotel disaster if he passed the instalation as fit for purpose, if he had noticed (or cared) about the hole in the wall or any other issue he should have failed the system immediately |
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Idiot and racist TURKISH TROLL exposes once again his RACSIM and hatred.
'gogu' you are nothing but a "porco di cane" -- a bloated tick and the
worthless son of a 'grande pouttane' -- a grand whore! -- choro-nik ******* "gogu" wrote in message ... Ο "Sarah Banick" έγραψε στο μήνυμα ... Why? If it was the manager's job to ensure the tests are carried out, and he didn't, then why is the owner responsible? If I own shares in a company that kills someone due to negligent management, do I and the other shareholders get prosecuted rather than the company's management? Theoretically, the shareholders should lose value of their shares. But, at least in US corporations, the legal structure of the corporation places that final responsibilty in management -- the Board members who are elected by the shareholders. They are all insured in case of this. Same is valid here in Greece. But was the hotel a corporation, or just a small business? An international hotel chain, the Luis hotels of Cypriot ownership IIRC. I have stayed in that hotel about 3-4 years ago in an April with the occasion of the Orthodox Easter (Corfu is maybe destination number 1 for the Greeks who want a small vacation with the occasion of Easter...) and I can say that it's a 5 stars hotel. Nevertheless s*** happen even in the best families as a Greek saying goes... If it is a small business, the owner is responsible, because he/she hired the manager to represent him/her. The buck stops here. Of course, I'm making comments based on US concepts that are probably useless in Greece, so I'll shut up now. No, you are doing well to expose your opinion so everybody can learn from people living miles away:-) Just disregard the Turkish TROLL who posted the original message, racist idiots full of hatred there are in every country, this one happens to be a Turk... -- E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi puttane! F.d.A Coins, travels and mo http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html |
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Idiot and racist gogu Papfloratos TROLL exposes once again his RACSIM and hatred.
gogu wrote: Ο "tim(yet another new home)" έγραψε στο μήνυμα ... "Andy Pandy" wrote in message ... "tim(yet another new home)" wrote in message ... The hotel manager, owner and two maintenance staff face up to five years in jail if convicted of manslaughter. This is the sort of nonsence that used to happen in the UK. Each blames the other and no-one is convicted. Now the rules in the UK have been changed so the responsibility is farely and squarely with the owner. Unless the other parties have done something stupid, like falsified the test certificate or similar, they stand no chance of geting put in the dock, which IMHO is how it should be. Why? If it was the manager's job to ensure the tests are carried out, and he didn't, then why is the owner responsible? If I own shares in a company that kills someone due to negligent management, do I and the other shareholders get prosecuted rather than the company's management? I was thinking, working owner (which this person appears to be), not shareholders in a PLC ??? How can you say that? The hotel is part of an international chain of hotels, the Louis hotels! It is not a "working owner" case! AREN'T YOU THE LYING GREEK FROM KALAMARIA WHO EARLIER POSTED A FABRICATED DENIAL THAT THIS WAS INDEED CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING ? YOU ARE THE GREEK LIAR AREN'T YOU, KOSTAS gogu PAPAFLORATOS |
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Greek Child Murderer tries to wriggle away from justice
"Andy Pandy" wrote in message ... "Sarah Banick" wrote in message . .. Why? If it was the manager's job to ensure the tests are carried out, and he didn't, then why is the owner responsible? If I own shares in a company that kills someone due to negligent management, do I and the other shareholders get prosecuted rather than the company's management? Theoretically, the shareholders should lose value of their shares. Only if the company goes bust, and anyway that's not prosecution, that's just losing an investment. It doesn't have to go bust to lose a huge portion of its value. And if that is your retirement savings, it is punishment enough. That's why shareholders are demanding more accountability from boards. Shareholders ARE the owners, and they do get screwed (just ask any former Enron employee) But, at least in US corporations, the legal structure of the corporation places that final responsibilty in management -- the Board members who are elected by the shareholders. They are all insured in case of this. We're talking about criminal responsibility. How can you insure against getting set to prison for manslaughter? No, you can't insure for that -- or for the type of issues that execs at Tyco, Enron, etc. are now on trial/in jail for. But if you come after money, the insurance handles it. After Sarbanes-Oxley*, however, there is the possibility of personal liability and corps are getting much pickier about their board members. *recent changes in US laws to try to control corrupts corporations But was the hotel a corporation, or just a small business? If it is a small business, the owner is responsible, because he/she hired the manager to represent him/her. The buck stops here. Of course, I'm making comments based on US concepts that are probably useless in Greece, so I'll shut up now. Really? So if you hire someone who does something stupid, illegal, or negligent, you are responsible? Even if there is no way you could have known or suspected they were incompetant or crooked? Again, I don't know where you are from, but in the US the owner is responsible. You do background checks before you hire, you specify things in a contract, but if you are the owner (depending on your legal classification), you will be ultimately responsible. The owner holds the business license and any other permits. He/she has a "contract" with hotel patrons to provide a safe holiday experience. The manager is his representative. If that contract is broken by an idiot employee, the owner has failed to meet his responsibilities. That's why any business owner needs to keep a close eye on their investment, even if they have to hire outside auditors/consultants to keep an eye on the manager/staff actions. An owner should see regular reports from the manager, including all costs for building maintenance. In today's climate of pointing fingers, it may be hard to believe. But it's true. |
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Greek Child Murderer tries to wriggle away from justice
"Sarah Banick" wrote in message . .. Why? If it was the manager's job to ensure the tests are carried out, and he didn't, then why is the owner responsible? If I own shares in a company that kills someone due to negligent management, do I and the other shareholders get prosecuted rather than the company's management? Theoretically, the shareholders should lose value of their shares. Only if the company goes bust, and anyway that's not prosecution, that's just losing an investment. It doesn't have to go bust to lose a huge portion of its value. And if that is your retirement savings, it is punishment enough. That's why shareholders are demanding more accountability from boards. Shareholders ARE the owners, and they do get screwed (just ask any former Enron employee) But that goes without saying - if you invest in a company whose management or employees screw things up then you lose, if they do well and make loads of money then you win, that's the nature of owning a company/hotel/shares/whatever. But there's a massive difference between that and criminal responsibility. But, at least in US corporations, the legal structure of the corporation places that final responsibilty in management -- the Board members who are elected by the shareholders. They are all insured in case of this. We're talking about criminal responsibility. How can you insure against getting set to prison for manslaughter? No, you can't insure for that -- or for the type of issues that execs at Tyco, Enron, etc. are now on trial/in jail for. But if you come after money, the insurance handles it. After Sarbanes-Oxley*, however, there is the possibility of personal liability and corps are getting much pickier about their board members. *recent changes in US laws to try to control corrupts corporations And stupid security requirements IIRC. But was the hotel a corporation, or just a small business? If it is a small business, the owner is responsible, because he/she hired the manager to represent him/her. The buck stops here. Of course, I'm making comments based on US concepts that are probably useless in Greece, so I'll shut up now. Really? So if you hire someone who does something stupid, illegal, or negligent, you are responsible? Even if there is no way you could have known or suspected they were incompetant or crooked? Again, I don't know where you are from, but in the US the owner is responsible. You do background checks before you hire, you specify things in a contract, but if you are the owner (depending on your legal classification), you will be ultimately responsible. The owner holds the business license and any other permits. He/she has a "contract" with hotel patrons to provide a safe holiday experience. The manager is his representative. If that contract is broken by an idiot employee, the owner has failed to meet his responsibilities. That's why any business owner needs to keep a close eye on their investment, even if they have to hire outside auditors/consultants to keep an eye on the manager/staff actions. An owner should see regular reports from the manager, including all costs for building maintenance. In today's climate of pointing fingers, it may be hard to believe. But it's true. So the owner is *criminally* responsible for actions committed by his manager/staff?? What a ridiculous situation - just as stupid as UK laws a couple of centuries ago where men could be sent to prison for crimes committed by their wives. -- Andy |
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Idiot and racist TURKISH TROLL exposes once again his RACSIM and hatred.
? "choro-nik" ?????? ??? ??????
. uk... 'gogu' you are nothing but a "porco di cane" -- a bloated tick and the worthless son of a 'grande pouttane' -- a grand whore! What I was saying gentlemen?;-) Just disregard the usual fascist, VULGAR, BARBARIAN Turks like this worm;-) Their only contribution is TROLL-ing and FLAMING! Their only contribution is name calling, VULGAR language, etc... Oh well, they are those rotten, fascist Turks who are giving a bad name to their country... Thank G-d not all the Turks are animals like these. -- E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi puttane! F.d.A Coins, travels and mo http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html -- choro-nik ******* "gogu" wrote in message ... Ο "Sarah Banick" έγραψε στο μήνυμα m... Why? If it was the manager's job to ensure the tests are carried out, and he didn't, then why is the owner responsible? If I own shares in a company that kills someone due to negligent management, do I and the other shareholders get prosecuted rather than the company's management? Theoretically, the shareholders should lose value of their shares. But, at least in US corporations, the legal structure of the corporation places that final responsibilty in management -- the Board members who are elected by the shareholders. They are all insured in case of this. Same is valid here in Greece. But was the hotel a corporation, or just a small business? An international hotel chain, the Luis hotels of Cypriot ownership IIRC. I have stayed in that hotel about 3-4 years ago in an April with the occasion of the Orthodox Easter (Corfu is maybe destination number 1 for the Greeks who want a small vacation with the occasion of Easter...) and I can say that it's a 5 stars hotel. Nevertheless s*** happen even in the best families as a Greek saying goes... If it is a small business, the owner is responsible, because he/she hired the manager to represent him/her. The buck stops here. Of course, I'm making comments based on US concepts that are probably useless in Greece, so I'll shut up now. No, you are doing well to expose your opinion so everybody can learn from people living miles away:-) Just disregard the Turkish TROLL who posted the original message, racist idiots full of hatred there are in every country, this one happens to be a Turk... -- E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi puttane! F.d.A Coins, travels and mo http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html |
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Idiot and racist gogu Papfloratos TROLL exposes once again his RACSIM and hatred.
The only vermin around here is you, Panta, you 'Poutana (whore) of Cairo'.
What the **** are you doing here when you are not even a Greek nor even an Armenian? -- choro-nik ******* "Panta Rhei" wrote in message ... © Da Hui ®T, a full-blown psychopath, as you can see, writes: snip the poor screeching, psychopathic sod's usual garbage Just keep your shirt on, asshole Ruttledge, you screeching vermin! You already got enough kicks in your miserable psychopathic existence from the death of those two children! F'up to alt.asshole.sean-ruttledge -- If stupidity had financial value you'd be stinking rich, Sean Ruttledge. |
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