How to pack light, some tips

"William Black" wrote in message
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"sharx35" wrote in message
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Those guys who are saddled with "high maintenance" wives, take note.



Define 'high maintenance' in this case please.

In a nutshell? Demanding entitlement bitches who think that their butt is
made out of gold.


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"William Black" wrote in message
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"Markku Grönroos" wrote in message
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I have arranged my travels so that there is little need to be instantly
available. When I want to be in touch to outside world I lease a computer
for a moment to send and receive mail. Sometimes it can be beneficial to
book for mass transportation in advance by phone but I leave this to the
hotel personnel. That's why they are there in the first place (typically
the language barrier hinders me to contact the agent anyways).

Why do you restrict yourself to environments where you don't need a phone.

Mine is mainly used as an alarm clock when I'm on holiday, and a means of
contacting my wife if we separated somewhere we're unfamiliar with.

--
William Black

So, how exactly did you manage to survive BEFORE this great invention?





I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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Chris Blunt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:26:47 GMT, "sharx35"
wrote:


"Chris Blunt" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, Markku Grönroos
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"Spehro Pefhany" kirjoitti
om...

I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not
having a mobile phone seems silly.

Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need
one.

I find a phone to keep in touch with people even more useful when
I'm traveling than it is at home. It also serves as a camera, an
alarm clock, a GPS, and a way to check my emails. Something so
compact that does all that and only weighs around 100g easily
justifies being taken along on any trips I make.

Chris

They take lousy quality pictures.

In fact I think the 5 megapixel camera on my Nokia N95 takes better
pictures than my Canon IXUS which I bought only a couple of years
ago.
It may not be a professional quality camera, I don't think anyone
would describe the quality as lousy.

No, you do NOT need GPS unless you are,
perhaps, on safari and surely the OPERATORS of the safari will take
care of THAT need.

No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have
while
driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it
made
finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.

E-mails can be checked at any one of the MILLIONS of cyber cafes
in the world.

Of course, and that's probably what I'd do if I wanted to do any
serious work online. The advantage for me is being able to check
instantly from anywhere whether there's any email that needs
attending
to in the first place, without even having to go near an internet
cafe.

Personally I've never gotten an email that _needed_ checking. If
someone really wants to get hold of me they can call and if they want
to get hold of me when I'm on vacation they can bloody well leave a
message and wait until I get home.

The cell phone is for _my_ convenience, not for the convenience of
others. While I always carry it, unless I'm using it or expecting a
call from someone I want to talk to, it's turned off.


Well, if I ever DO get one, that will be my attitude, too. It will usually
be turned OFF, unless I am calling out or expecting an urgent call.

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"William Black" wrote in message
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"sharx35" wrote in message
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. No, you do NOT need GPS unless you are, perhaps, on safari

Or on a walking holiday somewhere...

E-mails can be checked at any one of the MILLIONS of cyber cafes in the
world.

Cyber cafes are disappearing fast in Europe. Everyone has a computer,
wireless access is available in many town centres, and even in some rural
areas. I don't think there's a cyber cafe within forty miles of where I
live these days, there used to be half a dozen, but I can get free
wireless access down at my local pub..

Yet ANOTHER reason for dropping in at the pub, eh?



--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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Markku Grönroos wrote:
"Chris Blunt" kirjoitti
om...
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, Markku Grönroos
wrote:


"Spehro Pefhany" kirjoitti
om...

I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not
having
a mobile phone seems silly.

Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need
one.

I find a phone to keep in touch with people even more useful when
I'm
traveling than it is at home. It also serves as a camera, an alarm
clock, a GPS, and a way to check my emails. Something so compact
that
does all that and only weighs around 100g easily justifies being
taken along on any trips I make.

Fortunately I don't have to be available for other people at work by
phone. Actually I seldom carry a phone when I am out of home. When I
am back I just check the calls. If wandering in wilderness, a phone
may be a good piece in security terms, but on the other hand I have
never went deep in to wild vistas all my own.

If you're going "deep in to wild vistas" the cell phone usually won't
work anyway. Taking a day hike in Connecticut it's nice to have in
case you slip and break your leg, but coverage when you're away from
areas of high population density starts to get spotty.

And what are the odds about breaking your leg on a hike in Connecticut and
someone NOT coming along with seconds? I've hiked all over the Canadian
Rockies WITHOUT breaking my leg and WITHOUT a cell phone OR a GPS unit.
Never got lost. Never got injured. You pansies are a bunch of nervous
Nellies who can't get off the electronic teat.





Even driving the Trans-Labrador Highway you won't have cell
coverage--for one segment of if the Canadian government will loan you
a 911-only satphone at no charge.

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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:46:22 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

Chris Blunt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:26:47 GMT, "sharx35"
wrote:


"Chris Blunt" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, Markku Grönroos
wrote:


"Spehro Pefhany" kirjoitti
om...

I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not
having a mobile phone seems silly.

Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need
one.

I find a phone to keep in touch with people even more useful when
I'm traveling than it is at home. It also serves as a camera, an
alarm clock, a GPS, and a way to check my emails. Something so
compact that does all that and only weighs around 100g easily
justifies being taken along on any trips I make.

Chris

They take lousy quality pictures.

In fact I think the 5 megapixel camera on my Nokia N95 takes better
pictures than my Canon IXUS which I bought only a couple of years
ago.
It may not be a professional quality camera, I don't think anyone
would describe the quality as lousy.

No, you do NOT need GPS unless you are,
perhaps, on safari and surely the OPERATORS of the safari will take
care of THAT need.

No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have
while
driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it
made
finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.

E-mails can be checked at any one of the MILLIONS of cyber cafes
in the world.

Of course, and that's probably what I'd do if I wanted to do any
serious work online. The advantage for me is being able to check
instantly from anywhere whether there's any email that needs
attending
to in the first place, without even having to go near an internet
cafe.

Personally I've never gotten an email that _needed_ checking. If
someone really wants to get hold of me they can call and if they want
to get hold of me when I'm on vacation they can bloody well leave a
message and wait until I get home.

In that case you would have absolutely no need for such a function on
a mobile phone. Not everyone is in the lucky position of being so
independent of email.

The cell phone is for _my_ convenience, not for the convenience of
others. While I always carry it, unless I'm using it or expecting a
call from someone I want to talk to, it's turned off.

I don't travel in order to place myself in some kind of self-imposed
isolation, and I usually have friends in places I travel to. A mobile
is invaluable for keeping in contact with them, arranging meetings,
dealing with last minute changes of plan etc. Unimportant phone calls
on a mobile can be a nuisance so I normally use text messaging rather
than making voice calls because I find it far less intrusive. If other
people find writing letters to friend in advance, making use of
carrier pigeons, or leaving messages at hotel reception desks a
convenient way to achieve the same thing, then good for them.

Chris

On Aug 21, 8:19 am, "sharx35" wrote:
"William Black" wrote in message
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"Markku Grönroos" wrote in message
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I have arranged my travels so that there is little need to be instantly
available. When I want to be in touch to outside world I lease a computer
for a moment to send and receive mail. Sometimes it can be beneficial to
book for mass transportation in advance by phone but I leave this to the
hotel personnel. That's why they are there in the first place (typically
the language barrier hinders me to contact the agent anyways).

Why do you restrict yourself to environments where you don't need a phone.

Mine is mainly used as an alarm clock when I'm on holiday, and a means of
contacting my wife if we separated somewhere we're unfamiliar with.

--
William Black

So, how exactly did you manage to survive BEFORE this great invention?
[snip]

Actually, it is more of a case of society organizing itself around
the
presumption that one will have a cell phone. We were on a walking
tour recently and arrived at our B&B. No answer at the door and a
note explaining we should "call" a number if there was no response
at the door. This was the first trip upon which we had one so we
did. The guy was in the basement. (I wanted to tell him he owed
me 1.50.)

We passed innumerable signs for various services on these
mountain paths, all listing phone numbers to call. Society is
organizing itself around the presumption of a mobile phone.
It is not much different than when it organized itself around
a check book. It is rapidly doing so with respect to ATM's
and debit cards. It long ago did with respect to credit cards.
(Try renting a car in the US without one). It's not that one will
not be able to "get along" without one. Merely that they will
be choosing to exclude themselves from many opportunities.
(Which for some will be the point). Based upon some problems
from the last trip, I think I'll be acquiring SOME capability
to access the internet before my next trip over the pond.

sharx35 wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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Markku Grönroos wrote:
"Chris Blunt" kirjoitti
om...
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, Markku Grönroos
wrote:


"Spehro Pefhany" kirjoitti
om...

I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the
free
stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not
having
a mobile phone seems silly.

Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need
one.

I find a phone to keep in touch with people even more useful when
I'm
traveling than it is at home. It also serves as a camera, an
alarm
clock, a GPS, and a way to check my emails. Something so compact
that
does all that and only weighs around 100g easily justifies being
taken along on any trips I make.

Fortunately I don't have to be available for other people at work
by
phone. Actually I seldom carry a phone when I am out of home. When
I
am back I just check the calls. If wandering in wilderness, a
phone
may be a good piece in security terms, but on the other hand I
have
never went deep in to wild vistas all my own.

If you're going "deep in to wild vistas" the cell phone usually
won't
work anyway. Taking a day hike in Connecticut it's nice to have
in
case you slip and break your leg, but coverage when you're away
from
areas of high population density starts to get spotty.

And what are the odds about breaking your leg on a hike in
Connecticut and someone NOT coming along with seconds?

If it happens on a Monday you may lie there for a week.

I've hiked
all over the Canadian Rockies WITHOUT breaking my leg and WITHOUT a
cell phone OR a GPS unit. Never got lost. Never got injured. You
pansies are a bunch of nervous Nellies who can't get off the
electronic teat.

Anybody who thinks "it can't happen to me because it hasn't happened
to me" doesn't have a firm grasp on reality.

And the fact that you call people who make choices different from
yours "pansies" and "nervous Nellies" tells me that you are insecure
in your own choices and find it necessary to bolster your own pitiful
ego by demeaning others.

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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:19:35 GMT, "sharx35"
wrote:


"William Black" wrote in message
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"Markku Grönroos" wrote in message
ti.fi...


I have arranged my travels so that there is little need to be instantly
available. When I want to be in touch to outside world I lease a computer
for a moment to send and receive mail. Sometimes it can be beneficial to
book for mass transportation in advance by phone but I leave this to the
hotel personnel. That's why they are there in the first place (typically
the language barrier hinders me to contact the agent anyways).

Why do you restrict yourself to environments where you don't need a phone.

Mine is mainly used as an alarm clock when I'm on holiday, and a means of
contacting my wife if we separated somewhere we're unfamiliar with.

--
William Black

So, how exactly did you manage to survive BEFORE this great invention?

Survival isn't the issue. Its a question of doing things more
efficiently so that you waste less time carrying out boring routine
tasks and more time doing things you enjoy. Because of these kinds of
technological advances many people can travel to places they would
never have been able to afford to go to before. When they get there
they can do their work from a laptop on a beach instead of pushing
paperwork around stuck behind a desk in some office on the other side
of the world.

Chris

sharx35 wrote:
"William Black" wrote in message
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"Markku Grönroos" wrote in message
ti.fi...


I have arranged my travels so that there is little need to be
instantly available. When I want to be in touch to outside world I
lease a computer for a moment to send and receive mail. Sometimes
it can be beneficial to book for mass transportation in advance
by
phone but I leave this to the hotel personnel. That's why they are
there in the first place (typically the language barrier hinders
me
to contact the agent anyways).

Why do you restrict yourself to environments where you don't need a
phone.

Mine is mainly used as an alarm clock when I'm on holiday, and a
means of contacting my wife if we separated somewhere we're
unfamiliar with.

--
William Black

So, how exactly did you manage to survive BEFORE this great
invention?

Who said anything about survival?

I'm sure that Ugh asked Gugh how he managed to survive BEFORE that
newfangled idea of wrapping some skins around yourself to keep warm
was invented.

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