Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?

Tchiowa kirjoitti:


And your point was? When you are in transit, Singapore does not serve as
a hidden city.



The point is that if you leave the airport it does, in fact, serve as
a hidden city.



No it does not.

It does so only if you decided to leave the airport for
good and not to fly the leg from SIN to BKK.



Wrong. If you want a ticket with multiple stops you don't get the
discounted ticket. I gave the specific example.


I don't know what specific you gave (somehow I assume you do not
understand yourself the sentence "If you want..." ). Hidden city is a
place from which on a passenger does show up for the remaining legs as
printed on his ticket because he has reached his destination. Airlines
do not allow luggage check in to such places, so hidden city passengers
most often fly without luggage in cargo. You may try your luck at a
hidden city itself but you get a prize (your luggage as not checked to
this airport) only if you give the company something more precious (how
about money?).

For instance Finnair is in geographic position to use Helsinki as a
hidden city between Europe and Asia (for westbound destinations on the
other hand it does not have this benefit along with Moscow but Heathrow,
Madrid, Franfurt and so on are strong points due to their more
favourable position). As far as economy is concerned it is worth
considering a travel to begin from Tallinn (TLL) instead of HEL when
riding to Asia by Finnair. For instance right now the company sells
return tickets HEL-BKK-HEL in economy class by €1141 while the same
tickets PLUS return tickets TLL-HEL-TLL go for €677. The first mentioned
combination of tickets costs hefty €464 (68%) more.

Many people (me also) have utilized this. When you are back from BKK at
Helsinki (in Vantaa as a matter of fact), your luggage is going to TLL
and most obviously you in person as well. It doesn't matter whether you
have time and lust to visit Helsinki or not, your luggage will be
unloaded from the Finnair MD11 which arrived in from BKK and it will be
loaded to the Aero ATR72 for TLL. You follow your luggage to Tallinn and
you will come back to Helsinki by one of the slow boats or hydrofoils.
Or perhaps by chopper or plane.

Last year in early June (well after the twin towers went rubbIes on
southernmost Manhattan) I arrived in HEL from BKK early morning and had
a few hours to visit my hometown before the connecting flight to TLL.
So, I went to the main railway station at the heart of Helsinki and
bought a morning paper and went sipping coffee in the Eliel bar..... No,
I didn't re-check. By the way, during the winter 2002-2003 much more
than average amount of ice developed on the Gulf of Finland and the
Finnish side of the pool was icey as long as early May.

You made the comment about experienced travelers not believing me. I
am an experienced traveller. You are not. Get over it.



Of course we do not. Our personal experience repeatedly shows this. As
far as believing is concerned, you are not believed a blink of an eye.
You are not only telling lies here but your story is all crazy. It is
trivial and you cannot possibly stand for it. Anyone can see your record
for instance in soc.culture.thai by little skimming.



Happens what? Security (or any institution) has never required this from
me up to this date. Nobody has appeared here to tell a different story
as his personal experience.



So what? That doesn't alter the facts.



Heh heh, go away.

It just would
increase unecessary luggage handling. Perhaps you could finally tell the
others, how does it improve security when the *already checked* luggage
will be re-checked (if it is possible in the first place). Can you give
any reason for this ?


Because the rules require it. It doesn't matter one iota if it's



Other people deny the existence of this "ruling" and you reason it by
it's existence.



No one has denied the existence of the rule. They have talked about
the enforcement. Some rules are enforced sporadically and this is a
good example. But, particularly post 9/11, why take the chance by
playing games with the rule. Do it right and you avoid problems.



You are not one of those believing in Jesus the Nazareth
by chance ? Their faith is similarly substantiated.



So now you hate Christians as well as Jews? Where does your bigotry
end?



Get lost.

Hidden city is a place from which on a passenger does show up for the
remaining legs as printed on his ticket because he has reached his
destination. Airlines do not allow luggage check in to such places, so
hidden city passengers most often fly without


Should read "does not show up..."

Hidden city is a place from which on a passenger does show up for the
remaining legs as printed on his ticket because he has reached his
destination. Airlines do not allow luggage check in to such places, so
hidden city passengers most often fly without


Should read "does not show up..."

Markku Grönroos wrote in message ...
Tchiowa kirjoitti:


And your point was? When you are in transit, Singapore does not serve as
a hidden city.

The point is that if you leave the airport it does, in fact, serve as
a hidden city.

No it does not.

It does so only if you decided to leave the airport for
good and not to fly the leg from SIN to BKK.

Wrong. If you want a ticket with multiple stops you don't get the
discounted ticket. I gave the specific example.

I don't know what specific you gave (somehow I assume you do not
understand yourself the sentence "If you want..." ).

I gave the example of SFO/BKK return and SFO/SIN return and that if
you want to lay over in Singapore they want you to buy SFO/SIN/BKK as
separate tickets and more expensive.

Hidden city is a
place from which on a passenger does show up for the remaining legs as
printed on his ticket because he has reached his destination.

That is just one example. The other is using a transit stop as other
than transit.

Airlines
do not allow luggage check in to such places,

That's right. And they don't allow you to leave the transit area and
leave your luggage checked.

so hidden city passengers
most often fly without luggage in cargo.

That would be dumb. Shipping luggage as cargo raises the price and
defeats the purpose of playing "hidden city". Actually hidden city
passengers try to fly with carry-on only to eliminate *ALL* of the
related issues.

For instance Finnair is in geographic position to use Helsinki as a
hidden city between Europe and Asia (for westbound destinations on the
other hand it does not have this benefit along with Moscow but Heathrow,
Madrid, Franfurt and so on are strong points due to their more
favourable position). As far as economy is concerned it is worth
considering a travel to begin from Tallinn (TLL) instead of HEL when
riding to Asia by Finnair. For instance right now the company sells
return tickets HEL-BKK-HEL in economy class by ?1141 while the same
tickets PLUS return tickets TLL-HEL-TLL go for ?677. The first mentioned
combination of tickets costs hefty ?464 (68%) more.

But all that is European. The rules are different if you transit in
the US or Asia.

You made the comment about experienced travelers not believing me. I
am an experienced traveller. You are not. Get over it.

Of course we do not.

Don't say "we". You are not among the experienced travellers here.
You've pretty much proven that repeatedly.

Get lost.

I'm too experienced a traveller for that to happen. :-) Perhaps you
should grow up just a tad and try again. Let's hear your anti-Jewish
rant again. That was funny.

Markku Grönroos wrote in message ...
Tchiowa kirjoitti:


And your point was? When you are in transit, Singapore does not serve as
a hidden city.

The point is that if you leave the airport it does, in fact, serve as
a hidden city.

No it does not.

It does so only if you decided to leave the airport for
good and not to fly the leg from SIN to BKK.

Wrong. If you want a ticket with multiple stops you don't get the
discounted ticket. I gave the specific example.

I don't know what specific you gave (somehow I assume you do not
understand yourself the sentence "If you want..." ).

I gave the example of SFO/BKK return and SFO/SIN return and that if
you want to lay over in Singapore they want you to buy SFO/SIN/BKK as
separate tickets and more expensive.

Hidden city is a
place from which on a passenger does show up for the remaining legs as
printed on his ticket because he has reached his destination.

That is just one example. The other is using a transit stop as other
than transit.

Airlines
do not allow luggage check in to such places,

That's right. And they don't allow you to leave the transit area and
leave your luggage checked.

so hidden city passengers
most often fly without luggage in cargo.

That would be dumb. Shipping luggage as cargo raises the price and
defeats the purpose of playing "hidden city". Actually hidden city
passengers try to fly with carry-on only to eliminate *ALL* of the
related issues.

For instance Finnair is in geographic position to use Helsinki as a
hidden city between Europe and Asia (for westbound destinations on the
other hand it does not have this benefit along with Moscow but Heathrow,
Madrid, Franfurt and so on are strong points due to their more
favourable position). As far as economy is concerned it is worth
considering a travel to begin from Tallinn (TLL) instead of HEL when
riding to Asia by Finnair. For instance right now the company sells
return tickets HEL-BKK-HEL in economy class by ?1141 while the same
tickets PLUS return tickets TLL-HEL-TLL go for ?677. The first mentioned
combination of tickets costs hefty ?464 (68%) more.

But all that is European. The rules are different if you transit in
the US or Asia.

You made the comment about experienced travelers not believing me. I
am an experienced traveller. You are not. Get over it.

Of course we do not.

Don't say "we". You are not among the experienced travellers here.
You've pretty much proven that repeatedly.

Get lost.

I'm too experienced a traveller for that to happen. :-) Perhaps you
should grow up just a tad and try again. Let's hear your anti-Jewish
rant again. That was funny.