Arizona, Show Your Papers? So What!

Donna Evleth wrote:

From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"

Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
those who come after us.
Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,soc.retirement,rec.travel.europe
Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 16:54:16 +0000
Subject: Arizona, Show Your Papers? So What!



Earl Evleth wrote:

On 5/05/10 18:41, in article ,
"Hatunen" wrote:

A lot of people don't have drivers licenses at all...

My daughter, who had a French license (still does, they are good for life)
use to use in Arizona to dodge tickets, smiling and pretending to
be this ignorant French girl.

However in visiting death row at Florence Arizona, the people
there insisted on a driver's license but did not like my French license.
They rejected my US passport and wanted a driver's license, which for some
stupid reason they thought was better. So I ended up showing my
my collection of ID documents (French ID card, French and American
passports and French driver's license). Dumb and dumbfounded they
accepted on of them.

Is "on" supra short for "none" or "one"? Did you get in?

Yes, we got in. I was there too, with the same "funny" documents.

But you can understand how I couldn't tell me his orthographical
efforts.




Anyway, the keystone cops of Arizona will have a lovely time.

Finally someone will be doing something about illegals.

Finally someone will be doing something about illegals when they start
cracking down on the employers. Not a minute before.

I'm pretty sure that they have done that but the illegals show up
with fake ID.



--
"It is illuminating for purposes of reflection, if not for
argument, to note that one of the greatest 'fictions' of our
federal system is that the Congress exercises only those powers
delegated to it, while the remainder are reserved to the States or
to the people. The manner in which this Court has construed the
Commerce Clause amply illustrates the extent of this fiction.",
Hodel v. Virginia Surface Mining, 452 U.S. 264, 307 (1981)

Earl Evleth wrote:

On 5/05/10 21:05, in article , "Bill Bonde
{Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
wrote:

the cop can look up the person and get
the fact of that person's existence and the right picture.

What information does the Arizona driver's license have?

Our French ID cqrd tells the officer immediately; this person
is a French citizen. It gives the date and place of birth, which
tells the officer that I was born in the USA, it gives current
address (if I move I have a certain number of days until
I get the care changed). It has my biometrics and photo.

Looking up the web available examples I don't find any of this
information on the Arizona Driver's license.

What is on it?

I don't know, Earl, but we are beyond that, the cop can just look
the illegal up. It's harder for an employer, of course.



--
"It is illuminating for purposes of reflection, if not for
argument, to note that one of the greatest 'fictions' of our
federal system is that the Congress exercises only those powers
delegated to it, while the remainder are reserved to the States or
to the people. The manner in which this Court has construed the
Commerce Clause amply illustrates the extent of this fiction.",
Hodel v. Virginia Surface Mining, 452 U.S. 264, 307 (1981)

On Wed, 05 May 2010 18:56:23 +0200, Earl Evleth
wrote:

On 5/05/10 18:41, in article ,
"Hatunen" wrote:

A lot of people don't have drivers licenses at all...

My daughter, who had a French license (still does, they are good for life)
use to use in Arizona to dodge tickets, smiling and pretending to
be this ignorant French girl.

However in visiting death row at Florence Arizona, the people
there insisted on a driver's license but did not like my French license.
They rejected my US passport and wanted a driver's license, which for some
stupid reason they thought was better.

Ah, Arizona... Gotta alove it.


So I ended up showing my
my collection of ID documents (French ID card, French and American
passports and French driver's license). Dumb and dumbfounded they
accepted on of them.

Anyway, the keystone cops of Arizona will have a lovely time.

Well, now, don't blame the Highway Patrol for the dumbness of
corrections officers, who aren't really cops anyway.

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

On Wed, 05 May 2010 16:54:16 +0000, "Bill Bonde {Colourless green
ideas don't sleep furiously)"
wrote:
Anyway, the keystone cops of Arizona will have a lovely time.

Finally someone will be doing something about illegals.

Let's take a wait and see on this one. The Pima County sheriff
has said he's not going to have his deputies be very adamant
about enforcing that law. Says his deputies have other things to
do.


--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

On Wed, 05 May 2010 16:58:17 +0000, "Bill Bonde {Colourless green
ideas don't sleep furiously)"
wrote:

... If AZ has a decent driving
licence, some have chips in them now, it would be hard to fake. And
the cop can just look you up. So it isn't like they can make up a
licence that says anything, it has to be in the database. So does
the picture look like you? How easy is it to find someone to
pretend to be? That's on the level of what Israel is accused of
doing when that Pali terrorist was killed.

I'm looking at my Arizona driver license. It's a thick piece of
white plastic. This is the first time I've held it up to the
light; there are no chips to be seen. There is, though a small
black outline of the state that is not visible from the front or
back.

It has a hologramish pattern on the front, visible only if you
hold it at a certain angle, that repeats "Grand Canyon State"
with sate outliens between the words.

There's a magstrip on the back; I don't know what it holds. There
is also one of those spotted black and white rectangles that
holds digital data. I presume either the mag strip or the black
and white patch, or both, hold information that confirms the data
on the card; maybe even a dupe of the photo on the front.

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

On Wed, 05 May 2010 21:42:38 +0200, Earl Evleth
wrote:

On 5/05/10 21:05, in article , "Bill Bonde
{Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
wrote:

the cop can look up the person and get
the fact of that person's existence and the right picture.

What information does the Arizona driver's license have?

As I pointed out elsewhere, the AZ license has both a mag strip
and one of those blotchy black and white blocks that holds
digital data.

Our French ID cqrd tells the officer immediately; this person
is a French citizen. It gives the date and place of birth, which
tells the officer that I was born in the USA, it gives current
address (if I move I have a certain number of days until
I get the care changed). It has my biometrics and photo.

Most Arizona police cars have computers and scanners. I expect
that a swipe of the card, or a san of the patch, downloads lots
of info.

Looking up the web available examples I don't find any of this
information on the Arizona Driver's license.

What is on it?

See above and y other post.

Along with that, it also has my photo and signature on the front.

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Earl Evleth wrote:
On 5/05/10 21:05, in article , "Bill Bonde
{Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
wrote:

the cop can look up the person and get
the fact of that person's existence and the right picture.

What information does the Arizona driver's license have?

Our French ID cqrd tells the officer immediately; this person
is a French citizen. It gives the date and place of birth, which
tells the officer that I was born in the USA, it gives current
address (if I move I have a certain number of days until
I get the care changed). It has my biometrics and photo.

Looking up the web available examples I don't find any of this
information on the Arizona Driver's license.

What is on it?

http://arizona.indymedia.org/uploads...09/dl_card.jpg

On May 5, 9:58*am, "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep
furiously)" wrote:
Earl Evleth wrote:

On 5/05/10 18:38, in article
, "Mike"
wrote:

Not the Arizona law. An Arizona drivers license is acceptable.
And even non-citizen legal immigrants can get an Arizona drivers
license.

Agreed. *Problem solved.

especially since they are easy to forge.

http://www.espionage-store.com/fakeidletter.html

or

How You Can Get A Complete Fake ID & Identity Fast and Easy!

perhaps a scam since payment, with a credit card, exposes
you to a rip off with an unknown outfit.

Since they would get in trouble for illegal credit card business,
and not get paid by the credit card company, it would seem like the
goal is to fish for credit card numbers. If AZ has a decent driving
licence, some have chips in them now, it would be hard to fake. And
the cop can just look you up. So it isn't like they can make up a
licence that says anything, it has to be in the database. So does
the picture look like you? How easy is it to find someone to
pretend to be? That's on the level of what Israel is accused of
doing when that Pali terrorist was killed.

--
"It is illuminating for purposes of reflection, if not for
argument, to note that one of the greatest 'fictions' of our
federal system is that the Congress exercises only those powers
delegated to it, while the remainder are reserved to the States or
to the people. The manner in which this Court has construed the
Commerce Clause amply illustrates the extent of this fiction.",
Hodel v. Virginia Surface Mining, 452 U.S. 264, 307 (1981)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't know about getting an _AZ license_ but fake id's that will
pass a normal check are easy (although expensive) to get. I suspect
any joe blow who wants one can come up with one in less than a day in
any big city.

Harry K

harry k wrote:

On May 5, 9:58 am, "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep


I don't know about getting an _AZ license_ but fake id's that will
pass a normal check are easy (although expensive) to get. I suspect
any joe blow who wants one can come up with one in less than a day in
any big city.

A normal check by whom? Because if you mean by someone looking at
it and going, yea, that's you, then sure. But explain how a cop,
who will take the document to his car and enter the data in his
computer and look up the instant character, seeing a made up name
on a made up document will let that pass muster.

--
"It is illuminating for purposes of reflection, if not for
argument, to note that one of the greatest 'fictions' of our
federal system is that the Congress exercises only those powers
delegated to it, while the remainder are reserved to the States or
to the people. The manner in which this Court has construed the
Commerce Clause amply illustrates the extent of this fiction.",
Hodel v. Virginia Surface Mining, 452 U.S. 264, 307 (1981)

From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"

Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
those who come after us.
Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,soc.retirement,rec.travel.europe
Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 20:32:01 +0000
Subject: Arizona, Show Your Papers? So What!



Donna Evleth wrote:

From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"

Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
those who come after us.
Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,soc.retirement,rec.travel.europe
Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 16:54:16 +0000
Subject: Arizona, Show Your Papers? So What!



Earl Evleth wrote:

On 5/05/10 18:41, in article ,
"Hatunen" wrote:

A lot of people don't have drivers licenses at all...

My daughter, who had a French license (still does, they are good for life)
use to use in Arizona to dodge tickets, smiling and pretending to
be this ignorant French girl.

However in visiting death row at Florence Arizona, the people
there insisted on a driver's license but did not like my French license.
They rejected my US passport and wanted a driver's license, which for some
stupid reason they thought was better. So I ended up showing my
my collection of ID documents (French ID card, French and American
passports and French driver's license). Dumb and dumbfounded they
accepted on of them.

Is "on" supra short for "none" or "one"? Did you get in?

Yes, we got in. I was there too, with the same "funny" documents.

But you can understand how I couldn't tell me his orthographical
efforts.




Anyway, the keystone cops of Arizona will have a lovely time.

Finally someone will be doing something about illegals.

Finally someone will be doing something about illegals when they start
cracking down on the employers. Not a minute before.

I'm pretty sure that they have done that but the illegals show up
with fake ID.

You're "pretty sure"? Not good enough.

Donna Evleth