JFK Airtrain: Good News, Bad News, Good News and Bad News

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"Robert Coté" wrote in message
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"Baxter" wrote:


"Robert Coté" wrote in message
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is directly on topic. The Portland light rail extension, AirMAX, is
significantly financed by the $3 PFC that every commercial air
passenger
pays coming and going.


Well, not quite, bobby - that $3 only covers the part of AirMAX that is
on
Airport property.

And Tri-Met, Metro, City of, and the Port authority are famous for their
rigorous financial firewalls.

You got any actual proof of wrongdoing? If you do, then hie yourself to the
Attorney General's office. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.


Those trains run all the way to Beaverton (on the other
side of downtown). Also, that $3 is only on departures - not both ways.

You are correct. I should have said "coming through and going" to make
that clearer.

Actually, you're trying to obfusticate.

And do note, the $3 fee only applies to construction (airport share =
~$28
million) - not operating costs.

Yeah riiiight. $28 million. Hmmm, generating $1.3 million per month it
should only be around for 22 months.


'Course, you're welcome to challenge this - but to do so would undermine
most of your other arguments about how much LRT costs.


Not at all.

Oh, yes - what figure are you up to now for MAX costs $5 billion? Or more?

Miguel Cruz wrote:
I don't know where you've been for the last few postings, but that has
nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Oh really,Miguel? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is
about. You want me to have an abortion.

It's really the only sensible thing to do, if its done safely.
Therapeutically there's nodanger involved.

big box stores profit of walkup guy versus SUV guy.

You need to consider that a parking lot isn't free. The store must purchase
the land and pay taxes on the land which, for box stores, doesn't generate any
revenus. There are also costs associated with lighting and surveillance, as
well as snow removal.

So part of the cost of the roll of toilet paper goes towards paying for the
parking lot, so walk-in customers end up subsidizing the SUV drivers.

In an airport, the equation is different because parking generates revenus. Do
those parking lots generate virtual profits because the full costs of the
land/maintenance/taxes is not factored in ?

What if governments were to mandate that airports must pay an environment tax
for each hectare of land that does not have vegetation ? (grass or forest) ?
Perhaps airports would then see the savings in giving vast expanses of paved
land back to nature and fostering mass transit access to the airport.


Also, airports generally have vast expanses of land around them due to noise
issues. Is the land more profitable as a paved parking lot, or would they make
greater profit leasing the land for industrial complex/wharehouses ?

JF Mezei trolled:

big box stores profit of walkup guy versus SUV guy.

You need to consider that a parking lot isn't free. The store must purchase
the land and pay taxes on the land which, for box stores, doesn't generate any
revenus. There are also costs associated with lighting and surveillance, as
well as snow removal.

So part of the cost of the roll of toilet paper goes towards paying for the
parking lot, so walk-in customers end up subsidizing the SUV drivers.

JF and SUVs, like a rabbid dog with a bone...

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J F M E Z E I
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Author: Michael Voight "mrtravelkay"

1. Who is JF Mezei?

Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever hit
rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups. He is also one of the
longest running trolls in usenet history.

2. How long has he been trolling?

For well over a decade.

3. Where does he live?

Jean-Francois Mezei
86 Harwood Gate
Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3
(514) 695-8259

4. What makes him such a malicious troll?

His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless. Once he invades your
newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, day in and day out,
every day of the year, for years and years on end. He does not listen to pleas
to stop, he does not listen to anything anyone tells him, he does not pay
attention when the misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just
goes right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his ears
closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"

5. What does he troll about?

His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex. He hates the
USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn it into a USA-bashing
fest. If he can't do that then he'll just start making lewd posts.

6. What does he hate about the USA?

Everything! He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have a visceral
hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly. The USA is a happier, better, more
successful version of their country and they can't stand it. Some of JF's
favorite troll bait is "the Bush regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of
evil", "Americans are brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all
Americans are stupid" etc.

7. What about his sexual trolling?

Ah, that is JF at his trolling best. No sexual topic is too bizarre. Among his
favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women's genitalia, sex toys,
circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of course) ... the list is endless.

8. Circumcision???

Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years. He still likes to insert
circumcision into his trolling every now and then. Apparently, JF was
traumatized as a child because his parents, poor Hungarian immigrants to Canada,
left him uncircumcised when he was born, as is the custom in most of the world.
Growing up in Canada where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time,
he was psychologically scarred (so he claims). As soon as he could he arranged
to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades of circumcision
proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a free willy. His main
argument is how much better he was able to masturbate after getting circumcised
without that "pesky foreskin" getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has
made it his mission in life to spread the circumcision gospel.

9. What's his interest in child sexuality? That sounds kind of freaky.

Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky. Among the subjects dear
to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, especially little boy's
foreskins (and how tight they are) and little girls' hymens. He is also a
tireless activist and advocate that children should be taught to masturbate
early on so that they don't grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".

He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their little
boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, proper movement,
and that they be able to masturbate with no problems. Utopia for JF would be a
world full of parents manipulating their little boys' penises.

10. Ewww! This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the minute! Are
you sure about all this stuff?

Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself. There's over a decade full
of Mezei trolling in there.

11. How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the time like
all trolls do?

Of course! See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling
aliases.

12. So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he work?

Ha ha ha! JF hasn't worked a day in his life! He's an adult baby, a grown man
who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and trolls the newsgroups
all night. In his free time when he isn't trolling he likes to ride his bike
down to Dorval Airport and race the planes down the runway in his bike.

13. That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?

Bingo! JF is a boy in a grown man's body. Psychologically he never got past
the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor (i.e. "pull my
finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.

14. Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about them, is
that true?

Yes! JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in the locker room.
He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has seen in locker rooms over
the years, especially his unnatural obsession with foreskins. He stalks the men
in locker rooms trying to measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is
left if they have been circumcised. He gets extremely excited when he spots a
case of phimosis.

15. Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts! He should be locked up in an insane asylum!

Yep, JF is certifiably insane. He lives in a black helicopter / tin foil hat
world where others are out to get him. The key to understanding JF is that he
sees himself as a VICTIM. To JF the world is out to get him, especially the
USA. Victimhood is what JF is all about.

What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian rail system was
"killed", in his words. He used to be a major train nut, spotting trains,
writing down their numbers and chasing them down at the train yard like a good
freak. Then he turned his attention to aviation. Major events that made him
fall head first deep into the abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and
their subsequent takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil). So paranoid is
he that when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees
went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to cover up the Air
Canada markings. He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of the crash
investigation. He has never recovered from this.

16. Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!

His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to some ancient,
arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken seriously for
decades. JF hangs out there with other misfits and social dropouts who share
his psychological traumas, crying for the good old vax days of yore. It's
really pathetic!

17. Where else does he hang out?

can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geeky computer
groups. For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster he invaded the
sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, and trolled it relentlessly
with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crap he's so famous for. But they ran
him off that group and he had to go crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail
between his legs, licking his wounds.

18. It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and doesn't troll.

Pretty much. For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so he slips
in troll bait every now and then, but by and large he respects comp.os.vms, and,
more importantly, he tries to hide his trolling activities from them so they
won't find out what a major netkook he is.

19. Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho
he is!

Exactly. Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms. And while you're at
it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido too. And to
alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.

20. What else can I do? Is there an abuse address?

Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:





And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely. Post it to newsgroups, email it to
people, you may host it at your own website, send it to newspapers and magazines
that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.


*** APPENDIX ***

List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over the years. This is
only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.






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nobody
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muklak
Sheep skin
snowy squirrel
Conspiracy Theory
Lou Raccoon
Flapping Labias
Throbbing vulva
Twin Gonads
Loose Scrotum
Raised Organ
Popped Cherry
Monica Lewinski
Deep Fried Foreskin
Aroma of Smegma
Wet fart
Pubic dandruff
Voluptuous Nipple
Inserted Finger
Pubic Nair
Flatulent Meatus
Lihk Mhygroin
Pre Khum
Phi Mosis
Bal Anatis
Fren Ullum
Ivanna Getlaid
Ivanna Wankalot
Ivanna Umpalot
Wan Tnoneofit
Wan Itbad
Wan Towank
Wan Tolik
Testos Terone
Upper Gonad
Right Gonad
Left Gonad
Tyson's Glands
Nose Hair
Coronal Sulcus
Corpus Cavernus
Armpit moisture
Onani Room
Arnie's Banana
Raised eyebrows
Vas Deferens
Naked Canuck
Arni's socks
Notable Exception
Unpopped Cherry
Tatooed Ovaries
Pierced eyelid
Limp Tomato
Eggplant Earrings
Banana Underpants
Naval Lint
Ingrown Toenail
Empty Stomach
Full Stomach
Smelly Cat
Torn Ligament
Art Tistic
Furry Raccoon
Wet Racoon
Mad Racoon
Lazy Racoon
Eaten Racoon
Happy Raccoon
Sleeping Racoon
Hungry Racoon
Horny Raccoon
Smart Raccoon
George W Raccoon
Ronald McRaccoon
Thirsty Raccoon
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nobody wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote:
I don't know where you've been for the last few postings, but that has
nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Oh really,Miguel? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is
about. You want me to have an abortion.

Don't try to pin this on me. If you get an abortion it will be your choice.
I'm sick of this argument. I'm going to stay at my mom's for a few weeks.

miguel
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Miguel Cruz wrote:
I don't know where you've been for the last few postings, but that has
nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Oh really,Miguel? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is
about. You want me to have an abortion.

Don't try to pin this on me. If you get an abortion it will be your choice.
I'm sick of this argument. I'm going to stay at my mom's for a few weeks.

Mr Cruz, you clearly aren't a bona fide rec.travel.air participant if you
don't instantly recognize such an obvious quote from the all-time flying bible
called "Airplane !!!".

I am very disapointed. As a punishement, you need to rent the "Airplane !!!"
documentary and watch it twice in a row. And no freeze frame during the
gratuitous scenes where you see breasts bouncing around. Janet Jackson wasn't
the first one to show her breasts in public.

"Steve Lackey" wrote in message ...
It is kinda a funny use of the word subsidize. But the posters point
is that the walk up guy benefits from the parking lot, whether
he parks or not. The store is able to deliver the products they
have at the price they do because of all of them SUV driving customers.
If they had to rely upon walk up business only, the selection would
be narrower, and the prices higher. As such, the pedestrian customer
has an interest in bearing the same burden for the parking lot cost
of business as the folks who actually park there.

You mean the big box stores that have low prices because of the
economy of scale involved in selling to people who fill the back end
of their SUVs and minivans with a pallet worth of stuff are subsidizing
the walk up customer who just buys what he can put in his little
urban shopping cart? I mean, in one transaction, the SUV guy probably
spends in the $100-200 range for month supplies of stuff, while the
walkup guy likely spends in the $50 range for a week or two worth
of stuff at a higher unit cost than the SUV guy. Plus, he takes up the
same amount of "store resources" to make his purchase, in terms of
space and employee time to process his transaction, assuming it takes
the same amount of time to scan a barcode whether its a single roll
of paper towels or the 12-pack, so he probably makes 3-4 visits in a
month instead of one.

Also, the selection can be broader because of the shear volume.


OTOH, the store makes more profit off the walkup guy in a shopping cart.
I guess someone would argue that the walkup guy is subsidizing the SUV
guy, but I'd suspect the whole thing is close to a wash.

"more profit" in a percentage basis, but "total profit" is more of
a concern in most cases. Costco has some policy about maintaining
a relatively low profit margin, with the intent of pursuing extremely
high volumes, to reap a higher total profit. It, unfortunately, is
why frequently they don't carry certian items because the volume
can't be achieved.


There's an old story about a guy who makes leather purses. He
gets leather from cows that are being slaughtered for food. If he
doesn't make purses out of them, the leather is discarded. So he
gets a pretty good price for the leather. The accusation is that
the steak eaters are subsidizing the purse buyers. Then his purses
get so popular that the purse buyers become an excuse to
slaughter the cow, whether the meat is needed or not. So the price
of cow meat drops. Now the purse customers claim to be subsidizing
the meat eaters. But it's easy to understand how some folks see it
that way. But really no one is subsidizing anyone since they'd
all be buying meat or purses regardless. They do have a symbiotic
relationship however.

This is a pretty smart example, though the point where leather demand
exceeds corresponding beef demand, the input price changes
dramatically. Haven't sat in an econ class in better than 10 years, but
my guess is that the purse buyers would technically be correct only if
their purse price rises.

I think the purpose of the example is that meat is treated effectively
as a commodity where as the purse isn't. The purses retail price is
relatively insensitive to the cost of the leather, but the meat price
is not.

Steve Lackey schrieb:

They do charge $10 - for the roundtrip. Presumably, one who takes
Airtrain to JFK takes it returning as well. For a ride of 2 or 3 miles
each way to Jamaica, that is excessive, particularly for a manless
operation. It's really a rip-off for Howard Beach. Still better off
taking the Q10 from Kew Gardens however slow.

If you work there, it's a whole different story, since you'd multiply the
above by 20. Isn't that really what the whole argument about $5 is
about? For that, I'd expect employee shuttles from rail stations.
Is there any?

they dont have to multiply by 20 but by 4 or 5... there is a monthly
commuter fare for the airtrain, i think it is like 40 bucks.

David J. Greenberger schrieb:

Is it possible to walk out the parking lot exit and around to the subway
station?


Yes. The nearest parking lot exit is the Lefferts Boulevard exit, at
the south edge of a massive five-roadway conglomeration of highways.
The closest subway station is the N. Conduit station, about a mile
away. There are two basic routes the cross under(?) the
megahighway and walk west along N. Conduit (the westbound service
road, so to speak, although it carries mostly Belt Parkway overflow
traffic) to the subway, or walk west through a construction site on
airport property just outside the parking lot fence and cross over the
Belt (etc.) on a two-lane road with no sidewalk. I don't know if the
former route has a sidewalk; I've only done the latter (in the
opposite direction).

If you're planning on taking that walk after flying in, I recommend
you do a trial run without luggage first.

The only way across the subway tracks between the Belt etc. and the
Rockaway peninsula is via the AirTrain turnstiles.

before walking a mile thru this in order to reach the subway, I would
rather take one of the 3 local bus lines that connect the terminals to
the subway, especially since transfers subway/bus are free.

Michael Thiele wrote:
Steve Lackey schrieb:

They do charge $10 - for the roundtrip. Presumably, one who takes
Airtrain to JFK takes it returning as well. For a ride of 2 or 3 miles
each way to Jamaica, that is excessive, particularly for a manless
operation. It's really a rip-off for Howard Beach. Still better off
taking the Q10 from Kew Gardens however slow.

If you work there, it's a whole different story, since you'd multiply the
above by 20. Isn't that really what the whole argument about $5 is
about? For that, I'd expect employee shuttles from rail stations.
Is there any?

they dont have to multiply by 20 but by 4 or 5... there is a monthly
commuter fare for the airtrain, i think it is like 40 bucks.

Good point.

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